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Karl Barth Watch ID Mystery

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Hello old watch nerds comrades,

I have a bit of a different request for you today. Instead of having a watch in front of me that I need help identifying, I'm hoping someone can help me identify the wristwatch of a famous* theologian: Karl Barth.

*Insofar as theologians can still be "famous"...

Barth was a Swiss Protestant theologian (1886-1968) known for, among other things:
  • Socialist organizing in the 1910s, known as the "Red Pastor" of Safenwil
  • Authoring the Barmen Declaration of religious resistance to the ****s, and subsequently being expelled from Germany
  • Almost (not really) finishing the most massive systematic theology, his Kirchliche Dogmatik (Church Dogmatics), which nevertheless runs over 9m pages in 13 published volumes.

However, what's really important here is that I can't figure out what sort of wristwatch he wore. In photos, it's clear he still regularly used a pocket watch when he was out and about (such a child of the (18)'90s). But he also clearly wears a wristwatch at times as well, and I want to know what it was (or as close as possible).

I'll attach what photos I've found, though some of them are pretty useless. I'll also give you my initial theories:
  • In one of the photos (the Getty, I think), it looks like the watch has a “small seconds” circle at the bottom, with maybe Arabic indices and cathedral hands?
  • Most of that (except the cathedral hands) would be very similar to the military watches Switzerland produced for the Allies in the early 1940s.
  • Since Barth joined the Swiss militia in the early '40s and not the regular military, I would anticipate it being similar in style to those watches, but a bit more “civilian” and perhaps made earlier (1930s?).
  • I think 1930s was sort of the beginning of the “Calatrava” style, which seems like this watch might fit in that category.
  • However, since the best pictures are from the late 1950s, I really can’t eliminate anything between 1930 and 1960.

Any and all help appreciated. Get on it, gumshoes!


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Welcome to Watchuseek! I am sorry but I think that you are flogging a dead horse. Without any clearer pictures, all I can see is an ordinary wrist watch with subseconds at 6:00..... :(

Hartmut Richter
If you happen to know a SPY or two, I'd not be surprised if some kind of an AI-driven image enhancement algorithm could figure this out for you. There's 'actually' quite a bit of info there...I think!

Michael.
Is there a sub-dial at the top as well as the bottom of the dial?
Welcome to Watchuseek! I am sorry but I think that you are flogging a dead horse. Without any clearer pictures, all I can see is an ordinary wrist watch with subseconds at 6:00..... :(

Hartmut Richter
Thanks for your realism Hartmut. 😅 I definitely knew that was a possibility. It's just the kind of (fairly insignificant) thing that's going to eat me up if I can't make any headway on it. Lol.
If you happen to know a SPY or two, I'd not be surprised if some kind of an AI-driven image enhancement algorithm could figure this out for you.
I'm not sure if the suggestion is to befriend James Bond, or if I'm just unfamiliar with the acronym SPY. 😂

If the former, my time away from the high stakes tables has estranged me from my contacts in espionage... But I have reached out to the Barth experts as well! Figured I'd try to work the case from both sides.

Is there a sub-dial at the top as well as the bottom of the dial?
My thought on the upper portion of the watch was that it was an Arabic 12 with the branding underneath, but if it was another subdial that would certainly narrow things down!
I'm not sure if the suggestion is to befriend James Bond, or if I'm just unfamiliar with the acronym SPY. 😂

If the former, my time away from the high stakes tables has estranged me from my contacts in espionage... But I have reached out to the Barth experts as well! Figured I'd try to work the case from both sides.



My thought on the upper portion of the watch was that it was an Arabic 12 with the branding underneath, but if it was another subdial that would certainly narrow things down!
Appears to the be hour hand and time is 12:13 based on the minute hand and as you said. It could be anything.

Any family? Might seem weird emailing them (if any) and asking if their dad left any watches to them

Once you start with one. Then there are the other "what watch is he wearing" mysteries.

I poke around for a quick look, but after that. I don't bother

DON
Appears to the be hour hand and time is 12:13 based on the minute hand and as you said. It could be anything.

Any family? Might seem weird emailing them (if any) and asking if their dad left any watches to them

Once you start with one. Then there are the other "what watch is he wearing" mysteries.

I poke around for a quick look, but after that. I don't bother

DON
Thanks for the second opinion, Don. I haven't reached out to the family (self-conscious about my German), but the people I have reached out to know the family.

And gonna try to limit myself to just this one mystery. Lol
Is there a sub-dial at the top as well as the bottom of the dial?
Exactly my thoughts when I looked at the first photo - would it make then a monopusher chrono?
Is there a sub-dial at the top as well as the bottom of the dial?
If there is a sub-dial at the top and one on the bottom for the time elapsed, such a 'complication' could make sense for him.

Karl Barth, this wise theologian and radical democratic socialist (called 'comrade of God' by scoffers and his friends alike), who gave his good advice to everyone and explained to us what's right or wrong, lived with two women at the same time under one roof. There was his wife Nelly (with whom he had 5 children) and the mistress Charlotte (called 'Lollo').

Maybe he stopped the time spent with Nelly and Lollo to give each of them their fraternal share.

Oh … and they were all buried in the same grave. That's what I call consistent.

@OP: Sorry, this doesn't help you to find the model and make of his watch, which I am afraid won't be possible without better images. I was just immediately reminded that we were dealing with this moralizer in school (highly controversial - teacher (she) against the class).
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