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This is one of the Russian watches i have searched for since i started collecting them,the trouble is when ever i find one for sale on e.bay they are way beyond my meansO| .

But as i have said before because Russian watch collectors and sellers are very friendly and normally have a genuine interest in the subject it is easy to make friends and gain many contacts,that is how i manged to buy this,i think, scarce type 1,very reasonably,[thanks Viktor a very friendly and patient Gentleman].

The watch keeps excellent time and the chronograph functions perfectly which is a bonus because i like to wear the watches in my collection.The dial is original i think the hands maybe contempory but probably not original to the watch?,the case is excellent the crown is worn,but to me that is just a reminder that it has been well worn and treasured.

I would like to know what the letters on the movement mean either side of the moscow watch factory mark,would these watches been used by the military or would they originaly have had a civilian history?

As ever any help would be much appreciated.

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Russ
 

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Russ Cook said:
I would like to know what the letters on the movement mean either side of the moscow watch factory mark,would these watches been used by the military or would they originaly have had a civilian history? Regards, Russ
Congratulations, Russ. This is a rare and beautiful watch. There are 2 main dial variations, one lumed and one not. The hands are appropriate for the lumed version you have, though they look like they have been recently relumed. A geiger counter would tell you whether the lume is vintage or new.

The 'HKM' at the top of the factory signature on the movement is an abbreviation for 'Commissariat for Engineering'. The characters 'MOCKBA' below the logo translates simply as 'Moscow'. The characters within the pentagon logo stand for 'First State Watch Factory'. The manufacturing date code for your watch is 'Q-1 1941'.

The watch uses a Valjoux 61 column wheel movement which was apparently manufactured in Switzerland and assembled in the Soviet Union at the First Moscow Watch Factory. Production ran from the late 1930s through the early 1940s.

The crown sleeve for the 1-button pusher is very delicate. It is thin and cracks easily. You should be very careful with it. Although it is tempting, try not to operate the chrono too often. Parts are nearly impossible to obtain. Similarly, it is difficult to find a mainspring, if it breaks.

I love this model and over the years have acquired several. See attached photo.

Incidently, this was not the first Soviet-made chrono. Two different pocket-chrono models were produced in the 1930s by building an additional stage onto a Type-1 pocket watch movement. They are, I think, one of the very first examples of 'indigenous' Soviet horological engineering. I've attached some photos of those, as well. I consider these to be really fascinating. Notice that on both, the chrono's minute counter dial runs counter clockwise!!!

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Thank you Mark once again for the wealth of information you have given me.I did not realise the movements were Swiss made.Thank you for warning me of the movements delicacy, i think i will have to be very carefull as i am renowned within my family for having to left feet,i.e veryclumsy,O| i think i shall wear it on high days and holidays,Thank you for showing me your Kirovas,i realy do agree i think the Kirovas are beautiful.As for the earlier chronographs:p They would suite me down to the ground,my wife is always saying i do things backwards,another Russian watch has gone on my wish list.

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Wonderful indeed Russ! I am extremely envious! I have been looking for one of these for years. I was always outbid. The last one to appear on *bay had pitifully wrong hands and a pitifully expensive price. But I am pleased you found such a nice one. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow! Wear it proudly. And if you find another one and do not want it, PLEASE let me know!

And since Mark has five of them, in the true socialist spirit he should spread the wealth to the masses (I am volunteering to be the masses for now B-) ). There should really be a limit of two per forum member, since this is a Soviet forum. And Mark, I will take a Tutima Kirova as well, thank you very much! The white one will do nicely! I will send you a Pobeda since I have 3 now!
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Comrades, enjoy these superb Soviet watches!

Best wishes

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Wonderful indeed Russ! I am extremely envious! I have been looking for one of these for years. I was always outbid. The last one to appear on *bay had pitifully wrong hands and a pitifully expensive price. But I am pleased you found such a nice one. Couldn't happen to a nicer fellow! Wear it proudly. And if you find another one and do not want it, PLEASE let me know!

And since Mark has five of them, in the true socialist spirit he should spread the wealth to the masses (I am volunteering to be the masses for now B-) ). There should really be a limit of two per forum member, since this is a Soviet forum. And Mark, I will take a Tutima Kirova as well, thank you very much! The white one will do nicely! I will send you a Pobeda since I have 3 now!
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Comrades, enjoy these superb Soviet watches!

Best wishes

OHEAH
Hello Okeah,

Many Thanks,yes i most certainly will, when another one comes up.
I would like to apply to join in your fledgling proletarian mass.....Tutima Kirova ..ahh:-D

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Sorry for the delay,only i was at a barbeque today and decided to unveil the Slatoust again [mentioned on a previous thread] it brought back all the memories....torn ligaments.....doctors......counsellingO| :-D ..........to the sublime... the Kirova keeps quite majestic time.

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Sorry for the delay,only i was at a barbeque today and decided to unveil the Slatoust again [mentioned on a previous thread] it brought back all the memories....torn ligaments.....doctors......counsellingO| :-D ..........to the sublime... the Kirova keeps quite majestic time.

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Russ

Both magnificent! And that is the real diver watch, not the later tourist junk with helmets-anchors-submarines! Very nice indeed!

But the Kirov, ahhhhhhhh the Kirov... the Holy Grail of Soviet watches for me. It looks very elegant on the wrist.

Thanks for the shots!

OKEAH
 
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