[hal_c_on]

What are the limitations as compared to the successors?

I've been making an app for the Ambit community, and I can't make it compatible with the Ambit 1. Are there any listed limitations which could help me here. It states: Ambit (size 79%). Is that the problem? What else could it be?

 

[or_watching]

Hi. All the advanced math functions don't work - is probably the biggie.

Supposed to be upgraded in the Ambit1 June firmware.

I'm not sure of any doc other than this that applies:
http://ns.suunto.com/pdf/SuuntoAmbit/AMBIT_Maintenance_and_Upgradability_Announcement_07052013.pdf

So maybe some "new variables" will create hiccups. Not sure what that one means though.

 

[or_watching]

Indeed, new variables like "GPS State" don't currently work on my Ambit1. Presumably, none of SUUNTO_GPS_* etc variables do.
Until June. Take your pick of emoticons: or :-(.

 

[JoggWithoutDog]

Indeed, new variables like "GPS State" don't currently work on my Ambit1. Presumably, none of SUUNTO_GPS_* etc variables do.
Until June. Take your pick of emoticons: or :-(.

For me :---|:--( and for Suunto :rodekaart
Why? ... I declared it with short words on the "special" group regarding "Ambit1 Limitation":
I've paid 500 Euros and Suunto saved about 10(!) regarding the storage ... just one year ago - but all(!) the disadvantages are now on the customer's side.
I hoped Suunto will do an offer like kind of bonus in upgrading to Ambit2 (clock or ... unrealistical ... storage in the Ambit1) - but "of course" nothing in that way from Suunto. That is the worst thing about the whole thing for me and for many other users (look above - group "..." still increasing .
JoggWithoutDog alias Joachim
PS Suuntos last pdf-file regarding Ambit1-limitation (...should be a kind of "excusion", I guess ...) is still more annoying.

May the new Ambit2 users are happy with their new gadgets like I was half a year ago (after upgrade v2.0) ... and may Suunto are not planning a similar doing with them as they've done with the Ambit1 users...

 

[jfinca]

That is the worst thing about the whole thing for me and for many other users (look above - group "..." still increasing .

I am not following this portion, look above (where)?

Thanks,

 

[or_watching]

I am not following this portion, look above (where)?

The internal code name at Suunto for the Ambit was "Bluebird."
So maybe you shouldn't look up.

as in that old joke, "I wondered why the bird crap was getting bigger and bigger, then it hit me. "

 

[jfinca]

"I wondered why the bird crap was getting bigger and bigger, then it hit me. "

too funny!

 

[Adam R. Durst]

For me :---|:--( and for Suunto :rodekaart
Why? ... I declared it with short words on the "special" group regarding "Ambit1 Limitation":
I've paid 500 Euros and Suunto saved about 10(!) regarding the storage ... just one year ago - but all(!) the disadvantages are now on the customer's side.
I hoped Suunto will do an offer like kind of bonus in upgrading to Ambit2 (clock or ... unrealistical ... storage in the Ambit1) - but "of course" nothing in that way from Suunto. That is the worst thing about the whole thing for me and for many other users (look above - group "..." still increasing .
JoggWithoutDog alias Joachim
PS Suuntos last pdf-file regarding Ambit1-limitation (...should be a kind of "excusion", I guess ...) is still more annoying.

May the new Ambit2 users are happy with their new gadgets like I was half a year ago (after upgrade v2.0) ... and may Suunto are not planning a similar doing with them as they've done with the Ambit1 users...

[mind your language!] ...technology get old fast...buy a new one...or be satisfied it does what it said it would when you bought it.

 

[Ziutek]

Re: Limitations of Ambit 1 - how to overcome the "one app per mode" limitation-SOLUTION in this post

Regarding the "one app per mode" limitation for the original Ambit (aka: Ambit1) - there is a way to overome this problem to some extent. Please, check my app which in fact combines 4 apps in 1. 4in1: Cardiac Drift, HR%, maxHR, maxSPD - App at Movescount.com - this app shows you every 2 seconds a different thing: Cardiac Drift, Karvonen HR%, max HR in the current lap, and max speed in the current lap. Have a look at my app - it is easy to rewrite it so that it combines some other maps that you need. You can also drop me a msg - I can write an app for you if you have a great idea and don't fancy wirting apps.

 

[plattsam]

Ambit 1 is full apparently. no more updates: here is my saga if anyone is interested.

I received your email to Mikko Moilanen and as I'm responsible for Suunto Customer Support I would like to take the opportunity and respond on his behalf.
First of all I'm sorry to hear you have been disappointed on our products. I take from your email that large amount of your disappointment is due to Ambit not receiving the same functionality through software updates than Ambit2 has. You also mention that you feel that Suunto has lied to you on the matter.
Suunto support wrote to you earlier the reason to this so I only can re-emphasize it. Ambit has different hardware than Ambit2. The SW-code memory is smaller in the original Ambit, it is full with the current feature set and therefore it is not possible to include all the functionality that Ambit2 has, unfortunately. This is not corporate jargon to avoid unpleasant situation or hide the truth and we see absolutely no business logic on deliberately limiting the Ambit feature set, on the contrary. This just happens to be a plain fact. I understand that this probably won't make your disappointment any smaller but I just want make this clear.
Original Ambit has evolved through SW-updates from its first release and it will continue to evolve through app zone and the community behind it. Unfortunately it cannot have the Ambit2 feature set due to the mentioned limitations and this is also something we never have claimed to be possible.
You also mentioned that the strap on your D9 did break. I would like to offer replacing the strap, on our cost of course, if you would accept it?
together with the strap exchange I would like to offer my sincere apologies that we have not been able to fulfill your expectations with our products.

 

[plattsam]

i too am very disappointed - Suunto's response after i emailed the CEO:

I received your email to Mikko Moilanen and as I'm responsible for Suunto Customer Support I would like to take the opportunity and respond on his behalf.
First of all I'm sorry to hear you have been disappointed on our products. I take from your email that large amount of your disappointment is due to Ambit not receiving the same functionality through software updates than Ambit2 has. You also mention that you feel that Suunto has lied to you on the matter.
Suunto support wrote to you earlier the reason to this so I only can re-emphasize it. Ambit has different hardware than Ambit2. The SW-code memory is smaller in the original Ambit, it is full with the current feature set and therefore it is not possible to include all the functionality that Ambit2 has, unfortunately. This is not corporate jargon to avoid unpleasant situation or hide the truth and we see absolutely no business logic on deliberately limiting the Ambit feature set, on the contrary. This just happens to be a plain fact. I understand that this probably won't make your disappointment any smaller but I just want make this clear.
Original Ambit has evolved through SW-updates from its first release and it will continue to evolve through app zone and the community behind it. Unfortunately it cannot have the Ambit2 feature set due to the mentioned limitations and this is also something we never have claimed to be possible.
You also mentioned that the strap on your D9 did break. I would like to offer replacing the strap, on our cost of course, if you would accept it?
together with the strap exchange I would like to offer my sincere apologies that we have not been able to fulfill your expectations with our products.

 

[paul1928]

Nice email.

 

[SiRoB1]

Nice email.

Nice email? I would say the opposite.

Not include features or set limits could be understandable due to memory system limit.
I guess it's not due to storage limit, otherwise it's unfounded.
Anyway Fused Alti cost nothing as memory footprint.

Furthermore, not correct reported troubles is an other history.
Suunto can't hide behind something this time.
It's not our part to prove there is a mistake some where.
- Many ant+ product have difficulties to communicate with Ambit product, why?
- Initialization trouble of SUUNTO_VAR is still around (zero value at start)
- Previous trouble affect every SUUNTO_VAR using array

Recently reported a switch from Metric unit to Imperial after a normal self shutdown of the watch (battery emptied).
I'm sure i was not alone to report this one, and it's still not corrected?

And finally, Appzone will remain useless if we can't get reliable data.

This watch is marvelous, why wanting to cut its legs?
Make your own opinion...

 

[JoggWithoutDog]

Nice email.

Even: A VERY nice email...
Joachim

 

[Jeff_C]

Yawn

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[KillaSkill]

Really? What do you expect. It happens. Sell your ambit online and buy an ambit2, I did that. Besides people always want their old device to do the current devices capabilities but don't understand the technology used in the old isn't able to handle new stuff. It's like asking the first cell phone ever to browse the web then ask why it can't when it doesn't... Planned obsoletion maybe but technical restrains in models, yes. Technology at the time for the first model was limited more than their second revision where they found people wanted more where as ambit3 will have more again...

 

[Guest]

Sell your ambit online and buy an ambit2

That was my plan.

I used to be a real gadgetfreak, buying something new every 1-2 years, then selling it online, for about 50% of what the gadget had cost new. Depending on how old it was and how well it looked it could be more or a bit less. The Ambit is an exception, it looks new, but will fetch only 20%.

The more affordable units Ambit 2S/R came out, so people can get a brand new unit with full warranty for 50% of the price the Ambit was 2 years ago. Besides that, it is always hard to sell items with rechargable batteries in them. The next owner can't know how well or not you cared for it, or how many charge cycles it has gone through.

New gadgets are unpredictable: functionality is more and more defined in software/firmware and thus subject to change anytime. There are important dependencies on websites (Movescount), they can also be redesigned/changed anytime. At best, a gadget gains functionality that you want, as more updates are provided, at worst, it loses just that one bit of functionality that you absolutely need.

I had Suunto's reputation of making high-quality, durable devices that lasted forever, in mind. I assumed that the Ambit would get a reasonable price after 2 years of use.

This error of judgement was entirely mine of course. I only looked at the benefits of new technologies (updates implementing more functionality later, no more changing of lithium batteries) and not at the risks. It can, in principle, happen with any new device. Be it a Polar V800 or a Garmin Fenix 2 or anything else.

As a budget-restricted gadgeteer I have to be careful. If there is a big chance that a gadget loses its value very quickly I will not buy it. This I have learned the hard way now. It will probably not stop me from buying gadgets in the future completely, but for now I just don't find it fun, and my budget its gone anyway.

 

[JoggWithoutDog]

That was my plan.

I used to be a real gadgetfreak, buying something new every 1-2 years, then selling it online, for about 50% of what the gadget had cost new. Depending on how old it was and how well it looked it could be more or a bit less. The Ambit is an exception, it looks new, but will fetch only 20%.

The more affordable units Ambit 2S/R came out, so people can get a brand new unit with full warranty for 50% of the price the Ambit was 2 years ago. Besides that, it is always hard to sell items with rechargable batteries in them. The next owner can't know how well or not you cared for it, or how many charge cycles it has gone through.

New gadgets are unpredictable: functionality is more and more defined in software/firmware and thus subject to change anytime. There are important dependencies on websites (Movescount), they can also be redesigned/changed anytime. At best, a gadget gains functionality that you want, as more updates are provided, at worst, it loses just that one bit of functionality that you absolutely need.

I had Suunto's reputation of making high-quality, durable devices that lasted forever, in mind. I assumed that the Ambit would get a reasonable price after 2 years of use.

This error of judgement was entirely mine of course. I only looked at the benefits of new technologies (updates implementing more functionality later, no more changing of lithium batteries) and not at the risks. It can, in principle, happen with any new device. Be it a Polar V800 or a Garmin Fenix 2 or anything else.

As a budget-restricted gadgeteer I have to be careful. If there is a big chance that a gadget loses its value very quickly I will not buy it. This I have learned the hard way now. It will probably not stop me from buying gadgets in the future completely, but for now I just don't find it fun, and my budget its gone anyway.

Of course you are right ... BUT I do not know any other case of changing the model so fastly as Suunto did with Ambit1 to Ambit2. Maybe they realizing their fault and stay with the Ambit2 longer (I guess so) ... but it would have been a FAIR PLAY of Suunto to offer an upgrading for a fair price to jump over to Ambit2 ... nothing happened ... even not for people who bought the Ambit just weeks before I want to sell my Ambit for 222 Euros <=> new about 500 Euros ... no chance ... so I use it for walking even the speed graph is useless in this mode ... never was so unsatisfied of Suunto ... therefore I change to Polar V800 for running and have a good feeling. The same hardware quality and the software should at least even as good as the Ambit(2) has.
All people who still like their Ambits (1 oder 2): Good luck. Hope they wish me the same for Polar V800.
Joachim

 

[KillaSkill]

See I was careful in buying my Ambit1 off Kijiji locally, pretty much a flawless watch for about $280, used it for three months and flipped it on Kijiji for $380! So I splurged and spent the $100 more on eBay for the Ambit2.

 

[JoggWithoutDog]

See I was careful in buying my Ambit1 off Kijiji locally, pretty much a flawless watch for about $280, used it for three months and flipped it on Kijiji for $380! So I splurged and spent the $100 more on eBay for the Ambit2.

I prefer a fair treating from me to others (means: I think a fair price would be about 300 Euros after nearly two years for a watch I've bought for 500 Euros) ...as I want from others (e.g. Suunto) to me (and other buyers) ... but such doing is changing
Joachim