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In the crashed pre-february 2006 version of this forum, we discussed one time the cited the collaborations / joint-ventures in the post-war period between the French Lip company and the Russian industry. I was a bit surprised however to see nothing related between a Lip and 2 Russian watches of the same 1956 circa : Lip R25, 1-MChZ Sportivnie 17 jewels and 2-MChZ Pobeba 15 jewels (this gallery).
The cited ancestor of the Pobeda is the Lip R26 not the R25, but I was unable to find a convincing source of this caliber from the net. We even stayed very doubtful of the existence of the R26.
Since that time, I found a nicely documented web site from "Jef06" (may be member of WUS too? Congratulations then! :-!) describing interesting features of Lip watches.
It is said that the Lip R25 is a post-war modern caliber, the first Lip fully automated machined movement, concieved in 1948 by Jean-Georges Laviolette. More interesting is that the Lip R26 indeed exists and originates in 1918 !! :roll:
In a specific page devoted to the Lip-Russian joint ventures, there is a picture of the R26 linked here :
that is to be compared to the early 2-MChZ Pobeda (1954) :
If the phylogeny is right :think:, the Pobeda was deeply modified (the click, the train wheel, etc..) appearing to a real Russian new conception.
Other Lip-Russia concordances are more straightforward : the Lip T18 (tonneau caliber) and the Zvezda, or the Lip R40 - Zim.
Kind regards,
In the crashed pre-february 2006 version of this forum, we discussed one time the cited the collaborations / joint-ventures in the post-war period between the French Lip company and the Russian industry. I was a bit surprised however to see nothing related between a Lip and 2 Russian watches of the same 1956 circa : Lip R25, 1-MChZ Sportivnie 17 jewels and 2-MChZ Pobeba 15 jewels (this gallery).
The cited ancestor of the Pobeda is the Lip R26 not the R25, but I was unable to find a convincing source of this caliber from the net. We even stayed very doubtful of the existence of the R26.
Since that time, I found a nicely documented web site from "Jef06" (may be member of WUS too? Congratulations then! :-!) describing interesting features of Lip watches.
It is said that the Lip R25 is a post-war modern caliber, the first Lip fully automated machined movement, concieved in 1948 by Jean-Georges Laviolette. More interesting is that the Lip R26 indeed exists and originates in 1918 !! :roll:
In a specific page devoted to the Lip-Russian joint ventures, there is a picture of the R26 linked here :

that is to be compared to the early 2-MChZ Pobeda (1954) :
If the phylogeny is right :think:, the Pobeda was deeply modified (the click, the train wheel, etc..) appearing to a real Russian new conception.
Other Lip-Russia concordances are more straightforward : the Lip T18 (tonneau caliber) and the Zvezda, or the Lip R40 - Zim.
Kind regards,