[elmartinj]

Hello. So I've recently bought a Longines Conquest Automatic through an auction (no box or papers but I bid what I could throw in it and I bought it). It still had some of the plastics on. One of my conditions though, was before I took the watch, that a watchmaker should see it and say it's not a fake (I don't trust my eye that much). The guy agreed and off we went. I hadn't worked with that particular watchmaker since I was on a fairly new to me part of the city I'm living in, but the guy works on AP and JLC watches and is well established. His assistant took it in (didn't talk to the guy but just listened a few voices on the back of the store), and after around 10 minutes she came out and said it was real, no doubt, and that if I wanted a more thorough check on the state of the watch, I should leave it in for a few days to check if it needed any servicing (no charge for saying it was genuine nor for the more profound diagnostics).

We completed the transaction. After a day, I took it to another watchmaker and said it looked perfectly genuine and that the price I got it for was fair. Didn't charge me either since it's got a clear case back. I've been with it for 6 days and it's been running ~+4 s/d. Still, it's been my first non-AD purchase and feel a little weird just bouncing around the idea if there was any chance it's not genuine, or if I'm missing anything.

Have you ever faced something similar?

Also, I've noticed the date change of this watch starts moving very slightly at around 23:30 and ends up fast clicking at around 12:02. Is this half hour normal for the movement? It's labeled as a L619.2 movement, which as I'm aware, is a 2892 based caliber. Thanks for all the replies and guidance!

 

[gh1234]

yes that date change is normal, albeit not perfect

 

[DonLuis]

Hello. So I've recently bought a Longines Conquest Automatic through an auction (no box or papers but I bid what I could throw in it and I bought it). It still had some of the plastics on. One of my conditions though, was before I took the watch, that a watchmaker should see it and say it's not a fake (I don't trust my eye that much). The guy agreed and off we went. I hadn't worked with that particular watchmaker since I was on a fairly new to me part of the city I'm living in, but the guy works on AP and JLC watches and is well established. His assistant took it in (didn't talk to the guy but just listened a few voices on the back of the store), and after around 10 minutes she came out and said it was real, no doubt, and that if I wanted a more thorough check on the state of the watch, I should leave it in for a few days to check if it needed any servicing (no charge for saying it was genuine nor for the more profound diagnostics).

We completed the transaction. After a day, I took it to another watchmaker and said it looked perfectly genuine and that the price I got it for was fair. Didn't charge me either since it's got a clear case back. I've been with it for 6 days and it's been running ~+4 s/d. Still, it's been my first non-AD purchase and feel a little weird just bouncing around the idea if there was any chance it's not genuine, or if I'm missing anything.

Have you ever faced something similar?

Also, I've noticed the date change of this watch starts moving very slightly at around 23:30 and ends up fast clicking at around 12:02. Is this half hour normal for the movement? It's labeled as a L619.2 movement, which as I'm aware, is a 2892 based caliber. Thanks for all the replies and guidance!

So 2 trusted watchmakers say is legit and you are still in doubt ?
What will it take ?

 

[jt67]

I think you can rest easy that it is gen after two seemingly reputable watchmakers have independently examined the piece.


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[elmartinj]

So 2 trusted watchmakers say is legit and you are still in doubt ?
What will it take ?

You're right

 

[elmartinj]

yes that date change is normal, albeit not perfect

Cool, so the perfect thing would for the change to occur at exactly midnight? or a shorter engagement (considering the movement)?

 

[gh1234]

Cool, so the perfect thing would for the change to occur at exactly midnight? or a shorter engagement (considering the movement)?

yes it's meant to engage the date wheel (11:30 seems normal) and fully flip to the new date at midnight

 

[JPa]

So 2 trusted watchmakers say is legit and you are still in doubt ?
What will it take ?

The internet has to agree.
In all honesty, it seems the watchmakers agree, it's real. I have a conquest (mine is the L888, also 2892-based), it's a great watch. Enjoy.

 

[JPa]

Also the 2892 rate was slowed down for the 619 and 888 to increase the power reserve. I haven’t noticed that mine takes 30 minutes to swap but IF it is slower than a standard 2892, it could be because of the slowed rate?

 

[elmartinj]

Also the 2892 rate was slowed down for the 619 and 888 to increase the power reserve. I haven't noticed that mine takes 30 minutes to swap but IF it is slower than a standard 2892, it could be because of the slowed rate?

I think the L888 is slowed down and the L619 isn't, according to watch base.

The swap movement is pretty gentle, but noticeable.

 

[dirtvictim]

I think the L888 is slowed down and the L619 isn't, according to watch base.

The swap movement is pretty gentle, but noticeable.

Indeed the L619/888 was a 2892-A2 with 28800 beat rate, it went to 25200 when they changed to the A3 variant of the 2892-A2 and dubbed it the L888.2

 

[John MS]

Hello. So I've recently bought a Longines Conquest Automatic through an auction (no box or papers but I bid what I could throw in it and I bought it). It still had some of the plastics on. One of my conditions though, was before I took the watch, that a watchmaker should see it and say it's not a fake (I don't trust my eye that much). The guy agreed and off we went. I hadn't worked with that particular watchmaker since I was on a fairly new to me part of the city I'm living in, but the guy works on AP and JLC watches and is well established. His assistant took it in (didn't talk to the guy but just listened a few voices on the back of the store), and after around 10 minutes she came out and said it was real, no doubt, and that if I wanted a more thorough check on the state of the watch, I should leave it in for a few days to check if it needed any servicing (no charge for saying it was genuine nor for the more profound diagnostics).

We completed the transaction. After a day, I took it to another watchmaker and said it looked perfectly genuine and that the price I got it for was fair. Didn't charge me either since it's got a clear case back. I've been with it for 6 days and it's been running ~+4 s/d. Still, it's been my first non-AD purchase and feel a little weird just bouncing around the idea if there was any chance it's not genuine, or if I'm missing anything.

Have you ever faced something similar?

Also, I've noticed the date change of this watch starts moving very slightly at around 23:30 and ends up fast clicking at around 12:02. Is this half hour normal for the movement? It's labeled as a L619.2 movement, which as I'm aware, is a 2892 based caliber. Thanks for all the replies and guidance!

This is a good example of why so many watch buyers go to an authorized dealer. It's easy, the watch is fully backed and the price is fair but not a great deal. The previous owner may have sold the watch after noticing the minor date change discrepancy. For peace of mind you may want to buy from an a.d. in the future.

 

[thewatchidiot]

You're right

So 2 trusted watchmakers say is legit and you are still in doubt ?
What will it take ?

You say "you're right" but still needed more assurance. Is there something else going on your not telling?

Facts don't change opinions, influencers change opinions

 

[elmartinj]

You say "you're right" but still needed more assurance. Is there something else going on your not telling?

Facts don't change opinions, influencers change opinions

What I meant to say is you're right, it probably shouldn't take more than the opinion of two watchmakers. Sorry

 

[elmartinj]

This is a good example of why so many watch buyers go to an authorized dealer. It's easy, the watch is fully backed and the price is fair but not a great deal. The previous owner may have sold the watch after noticing the minor date change discrepancy. For peace of mind you may want to buy from an a.d. in the future.

I really don't mind the date thing, it's just a couple minutes. I was just wondering if this half hour is a normal thing for the movement. Apparently it is.

But yeah, I really see where you're coming from.

 

[Archer]

I really don't mind the date thing, it's just a couple minutes. I was just wondering if this half hour is a normal thing for the movement. Apparently it is.

But yeah, I really see where you're coming from.

Perfectly normal that the date starts changing that early, and also that it doesn't change exactly at midnight. This is a semi instantaneous date, and a typical manufacturer tolerance for the date change is +/- 10 minutes of midnight.

Cheers, Al

 

[John MS]

I really don't mind the date thing, it's just a couple minutes. I was just wondering if this half hour is a normal thing for the movement. Apparently it is.

But yeah, I really see where you're coming from.

As long as the date changes before I'm awake that's enough for me. I understand some Seiko models take a couple of hours to complete a day/date change. Enjoy the watch!