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I have an HAQ itch that needs to be scratched but don't know that much about them.

The Longines L37164966 (41mm, blue dial) has definitely caught my attention but I am wondering what else is out there.

Is there anything in the same approximate price range and size that is comparable that I should consider? My preference is an HAQ without radio, GPS, smartwatch, etc.
 

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Longines VHP is an outstanding bargain. I really don't think you can do better for the price. I wish they made a less sporty looking version. The water resistance rating is too low for me to consider it for a sport watch, yet too sporty looking for a dressier watch. The movement is outstanding, however, as is the finish. Second hand tick mark alignment is spot on, the perpetual calendar is sweet, and the shock protection is outstanding.
 

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The other downside is it's not solar, and I dislike cracking a case for a battery change.

There's Certina, which is a step down in most respects (but also cheaper) and Seiko (Dolce and some Grand Seiko). No solar there. Solar HAQ is Citizen; the Exceed line is only a couple models, all of which are JDM only, but can be found here and there. And the Chronomaster/The Citizen line is their Grand Seiko equivalent. The Certinas are mostly casual to sporty; the Citizen and Seiko are dress watches.
 

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To clarify a little. If you want 5 spy at 750$, which is what that Longines is going for than there is nothing else in that price range. The Exceed line has literally two models at about 700$, their slightly smaller at 38.5mm and 10spy. As far as I know you are going to have a hard time finding any Grand Seiko or other HAQ Citizen below 1000$ even used. Seiko Dolce, not a clue what's out there or what they cost.

Certina like gangrel said has a bunch of offerings from 3 hand dress, to diver, to chronographs in the price range with the precidrive movement. The movement is specd at 10 spy but they tend to run a little ouside that. A bunch of other watch brands out there with that movement, for example you can search for a pretty common movement like the f0X.411 or 412 where X is equal to 4,5,6, or 7.

Of course there are the Bulova's with the UHF movements they tend to run about the same as the Certina's but nowhere near as accurate as the Longines.

Now of course we are talking about a watch, and like a car there are a lot of other factors. If when you are buying a car for the best gas mileage at the lowest cost and that's all you care about than Longines is your watch. If you are interested in a little less mpg or accuracy and want things like WR, chronographs, divers, etc. than there are options.
 

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VHP looks like a fine watch to me and I am tempted by the 43mm version myself but I have read one or two people criticise the bracelet / clasp arrangement on VHP models lacking any fine adjustment, making a precise bracelet fit impossible.

I suppose it depends on how snug a fit the wearer is looking for - but is adjustment by removing and adding whole links good enough? I am assuming that Longines don't supply half links.

Also would be interested to know how difficult battery change is on these models. I know they last a long time but I read that DIY or non-Longines battery change may run into problems re-setting the watch especially regarding the perpetual date settings. Maybe that is a model specific issue?
 

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VHP looks like a fine watch to me and I am tempted by the 43mm version myself but I have read one or two people criticise the bracelet / clasp arrangement on VHP models lacking any fine adjustment, making a precise bracelet fit impossible.

I suppose it depends on how snug a fit the wearer is looking for - but is adjustment by removing and adding whole links good enough? I am assuming that Longines don't supply half links.
The bracelet on the Conquest VHP comes with 5 removable full links and 2 removable half links - should be OK, no?



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Do you remember the model numbers of these 2 models ?
On the Exceeds...the line is the AR4000. Specific model numbers: 4000 (bracelet, black dial), 4001, (blue croc strap and dial), 4002 (two tone). Can never know in advance which ones might be available.
 

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On the Exceeds...the line is the AR4000. Specific model numbers: 4000 (bracelet, black dial), 4001, (blue croc strap and dial), 4002 (two tone). Can never know in advance which ones might be available.
Not sure if the 4000 is still part of their current line up, but the other two are definately there AR4001-01L, and the AR4002-17A. Both using the G530 movement. I have to correct my post, these are 37.5mm not 38.5mm. Citizen has them at a MSRP of closer to 800$ also.
 

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The bracelet on the Conquest VHP comes with 5 removable full links and 2 removable half links - should be OK, no?
Aha - I had not spotted the half links. Curious that the half links are machined flat on the side which is adjacent to the butterfly clasp unlike all the other full width links so I suppose OCD types may be offended by the lack of symmetry if they find they need to remove just one of them. Not exactly fine adjustment but better than I had appreciated - thanks for posting the pic.
 

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I posted about the decision between a Longines VHP and a Certina DS2 a couple weeks ago.

I decided for the VHP and bought it. Over the time I had 3 different models from 3 different retailers and I must say that I am not that impressed with the finish.

The case is sharp on the most edges and I do not feel like the case is extremely well finished.

Furthermore I could not get my hands on a "new"model with a scratch-free bezel and I had 2 models which had some kind of dust under the glass of the dial.

I really loved the look of the white watch and wanted to like it, but after the third one I stopped trying.

I am now getting the Junghans Meister Mega, which is in about the same pricerange as the VHP. Also 3-motors, claimed +-8 seconds per year with RC turned off (without temperature control, but they can regulate it and seem to have put quite some thought into their regulation-method).

To top it off it also has 3 bidirectional motors, in contrast to the VHP has 6-jewels (vs none),perpetual calender even without RC (you can set this yourself in contrast to the VHP.

Then it has RC which can be disabled, a glas caseback on my version, two ticks per second, a hand-position system etc. etc.
 

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I've owned a (blue) VHP for almost a.year now. Just a few thoughts regarding the finish..


I have not at all experienced the problems M3tr5d have. I like the finish and fit of the watch and I have had no strange dust or scratch problems..

However, I do not like the clasp. Now, I very much dislike all butterfly clasps. The whole idea of a butterfly clasp is a failiure as I see it. That being.said, under normal circumstances (i e not during warm summer days), it's actuallu fine. During the summer though, I used a perlon cause it was easier to put that on than add-remove a half-link every day....


Also - the accuracy is superb (about two seconds fast over the last 10 months).

And even though I like my VHP very much, I would definitely take a look at the Junghans before buying today. It is a strong competitor.

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Me neither, the scratches were only more or less microscratches and were mostly on the polished bezel but nevertheless I found this to be unaccebtable for a new watch in this pricerange (as it was not one or two but many on each watch). I did not want to try this a 4th time.

As for the dust it just was on the dial, next to a index one one watch, on the other watch directly on a index.

The watch without dust on the dial was more badly dinged up.

I dont really know if it just scratches fast or what happened there, but I did not see that as a good sign. It seems to me that I am the first to mention this, maybe I just had bad luck or I am more sensitive in this regard than others.
 

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Me neither, the scratches were only more or less microscratches and were mostly on the polished bezel but nevertheless I found this to be unaccebtable for a new watch in this pricerange (as it was not one or two but many on each watch). I did not want to try this a 4th time.

As for the dust it just was on the dial, next to a index one one watch, on the other watch directly on a index.

The watch without dust on the dial was more badly dinged up.

I dont really know if it just scratches fast or what happened there, but I did not see that as a good sign. It seems to me that I am the first to mention this, maybe I just had bad luck or I am more sensitive in this regard than others.
I get it now. I thought you were referring to a product line change, the addition of a coating on the bezel to make it less scratch prone.
 

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I am now getting the Junghans Meister Mega, which is in about the same pricerange as the VHP. Also 3-motors, claimed +-8 seconds per year with RC turned off (without temperature control, but they can regulate it and seem to have put quite some thought into their regulation-method).

To top it off it also has 3 bidirectional motors, in contrast to the VHP has 6-jewels (vs none),perpetual calender even without RC (you can set this yourself in contrast to the VHP.

Then it has RC which can be disabled, a glas caseback on my version, two ticks per second, a hand-position system etc. etc.
Thanks, I wasn't away of the Junghans Meister Mega. Very interesting looking watch. The radio-controlled isn't a deal breaker. Another watch I've considered although not quite in the same league is Casio Oceanus S100.

My interest in the VHP is to have a grab and go, high-quality watch that is on the dressier side that I can also use for travel.
 

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I posted about the decision between a Longines VHP and a Certina DS2 a couple weeks ago.

I decided for the VHP and bought it. Over the time I had 3 different models from 3 different retailers and I must say that I am not that impressed with the finish.

The case is sharp on the most edges and I do not feel like the case is extremely well finished.

Furthermore I could not get my hands on a "new"model with a scratch-free bezel and I had 2 models which had some kind of dust under the glass of the dial.

I really loved the look of the white watch and wanted to like it, but after the third one I stopped trying.

I am now getting the Junghans Meister Mega, which is in about the same pricerange as the VHP. Also 3-motors, claimed +-8 seconds per year with RC turned off (without temperature control, but they can regulate it and seem to have put quite some thought into their regulation-method).

To top it off it also has 3 bidirectional motors, in contrast to the VHP has 6-jewels (vs none),perpetual calender even without RC (you can set this yourself in contrast to the VHP.

Then it has RC which can be disabled, a glas caseback on my version, two ticks per second, a hand-position system etc. etc.
I have my mega in the incubator now - hopefully will have some meaningful data to share with the forum on its temperature performance soon ish.


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Oh that is very nice, when can we expect results? That sounds great.
I'm planning to probably get the first set of measurements next weekend, and then maybe another month and change for the second set, probably at 23C. Assuming this forum is a civil enough place at that point I'll post them here - if not, since you're interested, I can certainly PM you the results.

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