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Hi Guys

Have been hanging my nose over the marine original and was wondering what sort of accuracy people have been getting out of them?

My apolgies if this has already been posted... tried to find it but couldn't.

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As far as I've read the Unitas movement is less susceptible to the impact, than other movements and is reliable movement. My understanding is that Stowa do not do COSC for the MO. Why not? It's should not be hard, right? Thank you for the input.
 

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As far as I've read the Unitas movement is less susceptible to the impact, than other movements and is reliable movement. My understanding is that Stowa do not do COSC for the MO. Why not? It's should not be hard, right? Thank you for the input.
You are righ: It shouldn't be hard................ since it's impossible! b-)

I don't know any source delivering an UNITAS 6497/6498 with a COSC specification,



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Thanks for your responses guys...

10+ eh? Don't suppose you can grumble at that... though I must admit, I would have hoped for single figures.

It's a far more beautiful movement through the saphire than you'd get with the automatic to be sure... and the "pocket watch" movement in a deck watch / wrist watch has a certain historical pleasure to it... and the small second hand is where the marine gets a lot of its charm... but for a third less you can get the cosc and greater accuracy... even if the movement is a little less snazzy... but then what does snazzy matter if it isn't as accurate... and what about the (to me at least) less pleasing date window!!!

Was hoping the original would come back 8 or 9+ then my decision would have been easier...

Tough choice!

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You are righ: It shouldn't be hard................ since it's impossible! b-)

I don't know any source delivering an UNITAS 6497/6498 with a COSC specification,



Volker ;-)

I kind of new it too. But remember reading somewhere that Panerai Radomir had COSC cert. So I search for it again and it appears that it was description from private seller who apparently didn't know what he was talking about. Official sources only saying that the movement running within COSC.
 

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Thanks for your responses guys...

10+ eh? Don't suppose you can grumble at that... though I must admit, I would have hoped for single figures.

It's a far more beautiful movement through the saphire than you'd get with the automatic to be sure... and the "pocket watch" movement in a deck watch / wrist watch has a certain historical pleasure to it... and the small second hand is where the marine gets a lot of its charm... but for a third less you can get the cosc and greater accuracy... even if the movement is a little less snazzy... but then what does snazzy matter if it isn't as accurate... and what about the (to me at least) less pleasing date window!!!

Was hoping the original would come back 8 or 9+ then my decision would have been easier...

Tough choice!

Steve
Not all movements are created equally (some more stable and precise) and some can be adjusted to be astonishingly accurate.

The movement in the MO I wear 15 hours on wrist, 9 off wrist, runs +2/day and is a bit susceptible to positional variation and by leaving it tilted one way or the other will compensate for whether it is slightly ahead or behind the UTC time standard so when I awake for its daily wind-up, it remains astonishingly close to being on the money.

If your main concern is accuracy/stability, then of course there are COSC and quartz movements that are, by their very nature, designed to be accurate/stable and precise.

Marine pocket watches did not have windows. ;-)

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Any watch can be certified to COSC, but is it worth it? My Stowa Airman with COSC has a very constant rate of +7.5 secs/day but that is poor accuracy. My understanding is that the Swan neck regulator allows for much better accuracy when regulated but different factors like temperature and oil viscosity can affect the running of the watch. A good watchmaker can regulate a watch very cheaply, you don't need a cert for that! :)
 

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Mine has been +7 for the last 6 months. New in spring of 2008. When it was brand new, it was 0-+2 and I was amazed at the performance. Very stable rate, even though it is now running fast.
 

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Hi ufc75,

try to tell people at PANERAI that they are using UNITAS - and after you left the hospital, tell me their answer, :oops:



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Hi ufc75,

try to tell people at PANERAI that they are using UNITAS - and after you left the hospital, tell me their answer, :oops:



Volker ;-)
Hi Volker, :)

I was hopping to get more technical answer. So I was teasing you. I
I know that PAMs using old Rolex movement, probably modified? The only Panerai with Unitas I remember was the fake one.
 

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er no.. afaik all the handwinding pams were using reworked unitas. until couple of years back when they designed their own movement. but only for some series. all the rest, still using reworked unitas..
 

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Thanks for your daily rates araf, redbike and glen.

Particularly pleased to hear that you can get more out of them if you pay attention to the sleeping position... that was going to be my next question.

Nasty horrible quartz doesn't interest me in the slightest I'm glad to say.. (though I have to admit to owning a g shock waveceptor that serves as an excellent set point!) just interested in getting good mechanical accuracy/stability/precision for my money.

Sorry if it looked as though I was suggesting that marine pocket watches had windows, wasn't my intention at all.

Still undecided!

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Yes sk001,

I guess you are right with the term "reworked Unitas".

@vlad:

I didn't want to offend you. I just used a metaphor to show the possible "emphasis" of PANERAI when saying they use Unitas movements in their watches.
I am convinced there are many fine regulated Unitas 6497/6498 that meet all criteria to get a COSC certificate - but I don't know any supplier that can deliver Unitas 6497/6498 with such a certificate,


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I think that Panerai (with "reworked Unitas") overpriced too. But I never owned Panerai and tried on my wrist only ones.
Anyway one person on TZ stated that Panerai movement has better quality finish than Stowa MO.
It would be nice to hear from somebody who owns both. Sorry being off topic.
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I took my MOLE into a local retailer who sells Panerai. I looked heavily at it and could not see where that watch would reach into my wallet to take my cash. I also had a Precista PRS-20LE (look alike) and the Panerai was no better than the Precista from where I was standing.

Simply, the Panerai movement is decorated differenly - it is no better than the movement in the MO.

So many watches to choose from - which is better is sometimes a matter of taste and not much else.

Glen
 
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