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I have finally decided on buying my first swiss watch and chose Mido Commander II Chronograph. To me it seems like a good combination of classy and "young". But here is where I am stuck: There is the normal commander II which are still produced by the manufacturer (M014.414.11.031.09) and are usually available in shops. Because of friends, I can buy this piece (new) for about 1300€. Then there is the limited version (M016.415.16.051.00), where only 950 pieces exist in total an since it cannot be ordered anymore, it would cost about 2150€. I like both about equally, even though the metal strap of the normal version feels amazing and I always wanted one with metal strap. The main difference is that the limited edition has the chronometer certificate, leather instead of metal strap, general design and of course that it is limited.

In your opinion, is it worth investing 800€ more in the limited edition (reselling value)? Is the movement of the normal version without the certificate less reliable, even though they are both ETA 7750? Even though I only read good things about Mido, they do not seem to be too popular so I am not sure if value will increase significantly in the future. What are your experiences with Mido?

Thank you very much in advance.
 

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No experience with mido but I doubt either will increase in price over time. If you like them both equally then go for the cheaper one! Plus it has a bracelet, which is a big bonus. They're both 7750s; the chronometer certificate guarantees accuracy but there's a good chance the elabore (or it could even be a top grade; the 7750 doesn't come in standard though) movement in the normal model will perform just as accurately. And if it's consistently say, +10spd a watchmaker can regulate it for you very easily. No contest here for me at all.
 

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Love my Mido Chrono, best bang for your buck in its class IMHO. As Geoffbot said, unfortunately Mido is under-appreciated and unlikely to maintain its value. So, his advice is mine - buy the cheaper one if you truly like them equally. Plus, Mido tends to put Top Grade movements in their chronos so the Chronometer may not have any better components in it than the other model.
 
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Agree with the above - Mido makes great watches and bracelets are in my experience very nice too, but they do not hold their price well on the used market. The 'limited edition' will mean nothing for resale ...
 

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I'd go with the bracelet version ..... but I always go with the bracelet so ya can't go by me
 

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Thank you very much for the insightful answers! I think you are right. I like both equally but the metal bracelet wins this competition. Do you know how I can find out if the ETA 7750 movement in the commander is top or elabore? If it is top, then I will definately go for the non limited version since the accuracy are probably very similar in both variations.
 

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Thank you very much for the insightful answers! I think you are right. I like both equally but the metal bracelet wins this competition. Do you know how I can find out if the ETA 7750 movement in the commander is top or elabore? If it is top, then I will definately go for the non limited version since the accuracy are probably very similar in both variations.
Read my review of my Mido. What I learned is that Mido does an incredibly good job with the actual watches and an amazingly, stunningly, bad job communicating what is actually in them. I had to put their spec sheet under a microscope and enlist assistance here from movement gurus to figure out that it was a very high grade movement.
https://www.watchuseek.com/f220/mido-multifort-automatic-chronograph-docrwm-53599.html
 
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Read my review of my Mido. What I learned is that Mido does an incredibly good job with the actual watches and an amazingly, stunningly, bad job communicating what is actually in them. I had to put their spec sheet under a microscope and enlist assistance here from movement gurus to figure out that it was a very high grade movement.
https://www.watchuseek.com/f220/mido-multifort-automatic-chronograph-docrwm-53599.html
So...is it elabore or top? This guy seems to think it's elabore http://www.amazon.com/Mido-Multifor...05-614-36-051-22/dp/B007G4ZOKE/ref=pd_sxp_f_r though I don't know how he knows.

The only other Google results were my above post on this thread, which is worrying - I should really check twice before opening my mouth!
 

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Nice, but most certainly get the bracelet version.
 

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So...is it elabore or top? This guy seems to think it's elabore Mido Multifort Mens Automatic Chronograph Watch M005.614.36.051.22 at Amazon Men's Watch store. though I don't know how he knows.

The only other Google results were my above post on this thread, which is worrying - I should really check twice before opening my mouth!
It's Mido Model #M0144141103109 which has an ETA Valjoux 7750 movement - so it is Elabore. Here's the description on the Mido site Homepage | MIDO . If you can get it for $500 take it. Servicing costs will vary by region but it's worth doing. Where I live it's $80-$150 (on average). The limited edition has the same movement and 950 pieces is a lot. I do not understand the difference in the standard and the limited. I guess it's in the finishing of the movement. The limited is advertised as having a COSC rating - but if it's the same movement in both watches then they are equally good.
 

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It's Mido Model #M0144141103109 which has an ETA Valjoux 7750 movement - so it is Elabore. Here's the description on the Mido site Homepage | MIDO . If you can get it for $500 take it. Servicing costs will vary by region but it's worth doing. Where I live it's $80-$150 (on average). The limited edition has the same movement and 950 pieces is a lot. I do not understand the difference in the standard and the limited. I guess it's in the finishing of the movement. The limited is advertised as having a COSC rating - but if it's the same movement in both watches then they are equally good.
Cosc is a top movement that has been certified. Elabore is a lower movement

 

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It's Mido Model #M0144141103109 which has an ETA Valjoux 7750 movement - so it is Elabore. Here's the description on the Mido site Homepage | MIDO . If you can get it for $500 take it. Servicing costs will vary by region but it's worth doing. Where I live it's $80-$150 (on average). The limited edition has the same movement and 950 pieces is a lot. I do not understand the difference in the standard and the limited. I guess it's in the finishing of the movement. The limited is advertised as having a COSC rating - but if it's the same movement in both watches then they are equally good.
They call it the Cal.1320 and their site actually says its a base 7750 when you hover over the movement logo, but I think that is a language issue and it was meant to say "based on" not "base". When you click you get this:

  • Adjusted in 3 positions for high precision
  • High quality Nivaflex NO barrel springs for long term accuracy
  • A decorated oscillation weight
  • Incabloc for a better shock-resistance.

The Manual for it is the 222 and it says the following (I highlighted the actual functional components that determine what grade movement we are talking about):
MIDO® 1320 calibre (based on the ETA Valjoux 7750)
Ø 131/4’’’ or 30.00 mm, thickness: 7.90 mm, 25 rubies, 28 800 A/H, 165 components, power reserve in excess of 42 hours, INCABLOC and NIVACOURBE shock absorbers, GLUCYDUR balance-wheel, NIVAROX I balance spring, NIVAFLEX NO barrel spring, burnished screws, circular-grained bars, oscillating weight with Côtes de Genève and engraved MIDO® logo.
 
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They call it the Cal.1320 and their site actually says its a base 7750 when you hover over the movement logo. When you click you get this:

  • Adjusted in 3 positions for high precision
  • High quality Nivaflex NO barrel springs for long term accuracy
  • A decorated oscillation weight
  • Incabloc for a better shock-resistance.

The Manual for it is the 222 and it says the following (I highlighted the actual functional components that determine what grade movement we are talking about):
MIDO® 1320 calibre (based on the ETA Valjoux 7750)
Ø 131/4’’’ or 30.00 mm, thickness: 7.90 mm, 25 rubies, 28 800 A/H, 165 components, power reserve in excess of 42 hours, INCABLOC and NIVACOURBE shock absorbers, GLUCYDUR balance-wheel, NIVAROX I balance spring, NIVAFLEX NO barrel spring, burnished screws, circular-grained bars, oscillating weight with Côtes de Genève and engraved MIDO® logo.
Elabore then.
 

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Elabore then.
Yes. The older models like mine have Top movements in them. I wonder if any of the non-chronometer models still come with top movements?
 

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Thank you very much for the info! I wonder why Mido decided to take a step back from top grade movement to elabore. I wonder about the durability of this movement. Do you guys think the watch will be just as reliable in say 10 years? Just how "good" is ETA Valjoux 7750 compared to other movements in this or higher price ranges? How does the brand actually effect the movement if they are all ordered from ETA anyway (e.g. Longines, omega, Mido Union etc.)?

It's Mido Model #M0144141103109 which has an ETA Valjoux 7750 movement - so it is Elabore. Here's the description on the Mido site Homepage | MIDO . If you can get it for $500 take it. Servicing costs will vary by region but it's worth doing. Where I live it's $80-$150 (on average). The limited edition has the same movement and 950 pieces is a lot. I do not understand the difference in the standard and the limited. I guess it's in the finishing of the movement. The limited is advertised as having a COSC rating - but if it's the same movement in both watches then they are equally good.
Where can I find this watch for that offer? Here the listing price is 1.770€ and thought the deal for about 1.300€ is very good.
 
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