Is there a good list of divers using the 9015 or other 9000-series movements? I am very interested in checking this movement out.
Benarus Remora II will be out at the end of the year, I pre-ordered. A pretty neat diver if you ask me and they just decided to put in a sapphire crystal over the bezel insert.
Helson Tortuga also has 9015 but I don't really trust the company.
Looks as if the "shake don't wind" advice for 2824 is not just an urban legend. This discussion over on the WUS German Watch forum uncovered a serious flaw in the ubiquitous ETA 2824-- it is just not designed to be regularly hand wound:My only issue with the ETA are the concerns regarding handwinding the movement. I know some beleive it and some don't but I've heard from pretty legitimate sources that you at least shouldn't handwind it all the time.
If you are refering to my post, I said I'd be happy saving the $150 to own the Miyota rather than the ETA. Just for point of reference, the 2824-2 ETA movement alone sells for $118 on Otto Frei. The Miyota 8215 price is $42, so I would think the 9015 is around $60In the end it would all come down to price for me, and to poster above who said a 2824 is only $150, well thats fine and dandy if we were just buying mov'ts but as consumers we are buying the entire watch to which we are at the mercy of the manufacturer.
Creating a pool with false statements is not a good start :think:Which movement would you prefer? Assuming that the ETA 2824 is $150-$200 more?
What are your experiences in terms of accuracy with each movement? Why do you prefer one over the other?
Does it bother anyone that the ETA is only available on the grey market?
I remeber reading recently that demand is ramping up for the 9015 (effecting supply) so I would suspect the price would be closer to the $118 for that movement.If you are refering to my post, I said I'd be happy saving the $150 to own the Miyota rather than the ETA. Just for point of reference, the 2824-2 ETA movement alone sells for $118 on Otto Frei. The Miyota 8215 price is $42, so I would think the 9015 is around $60
Thank you for the information, I have edited my original post for the poll above.Creating a pool with false statements is not a good start :think:
-An ETA cannot be $150-$200 more than a Miyota 9015, its bulk price is below $150.
-Comparing accuracy of mechanical movements is not interesting. An ETA 2824-2 can run -5, +1, +4, +8 or even +20 seconds per day,... Unlike Quartz movement, a mechanical movement requires fine adjustment by the watch company or the end user (or a third party laboratory like the Contrôle Officiel Suisse Des Chronomètres). The movement manufacturer only guarantee a more or less constant frequency and an average deviation. This is true for any mechanical movement, whether made in Switzerland, China, Russia or Japan. In fact, all mechanical movements, even from the same brand, are different. That's the beauty of it...
-ETA movement are NOT only available on the grey market. That's just false. Hundreds of watch companies are using ETA movement, coming straight from the ETA factories: Tag Heuer, Doxa, Stowa, Tissot, Tudor, Anonimo, Ball, Baume & Mercier, IWC, Hamilton, Bell&Ross, Alpina, Eterna, Omega, Sinn, Archimede, Victorinox, Breitling, etc, etc, etc,...
I have had 2 9015....Remora and Tortuga. I have had nothing but good experiences with both. The one thing that I can tell you, though, is that I've noticed with the Tortuga that when you pull the crown out to sync the second hand, it tends to easily slip out of the hacking function. Like when I pull it out and start setting the minute hand, it will sometimes start the second hand back up. Not really a big deal, but I was wondering if anyone ever noticed that?
Otherwise, on both watches, the 9015 easily keeps as good time if not better than the 2824s I've owned.