[urtenmurtel]

Dear fellow Suunto-friends,

I am currently deciding weather I can stick with movescount for run analysis or want StravaPremium or TrainingPeaks. In many ways I really like Movescount to look at my runs only that the binning of run data into Zones is something I like a lot and in Movescount, in the Bar Chart and Curve analysis, seem poorly done and is in my case mostly useless.
The problem is that for eg. Pace and Cadence Suunto automatically decides the bins and they make the analysis pointless. This is different from the graph generated for heart rate, that one is based on the defined zones and very useful. I have attached pictures below to illustrate that point and you can see that there is only one pace bin for faster than 12min/mile where all the fun happens o|
So have I missed a way to customize speed and cadence zones for the analysis or is this just something they failed to implement properly? If so, is there an efficient way to complain about it to Suunto?
Thanks!

 

[wydim]

I know what you mean. In the beginning of my journey with movescount, I was looking at this bar chart and curve graph and trying to analyze something out of it. But it seems that the speed (or pace) zones are different for every move !! it doesn't make any sense !

These zones should be constant (for a given sport : bike or run). Strava premium has this feature where you enter your actual running fitness (a recent 5 or 10k result) and they create the pace zones so you can analyze how much time you spent in each one during your training. Same thing with cycling zones : a cycle trainer with powermeter can test your FTP and create standardized training zones. But it seems movescount re-creates the zones based on an algorythm that only takes into account the actual move.

to answer your question : no you didn't miss anything. You just can't create and freeze training speed or cadence zones in movescount. If you feel like it's worth some bucks you could go with STRAVA PREMIUM. I had it for one month (trial) but couldn't justify the spending for what it gave me.

you may also try to write to Suunto support team.

 

[morey000]

eh... I can't help. Other than yeah, I have the same feature request. It really would be nice to be able to set the histogram bins. I have no idea what friggen algorithm Suunto uses to create these. Then again- It's not something that I've needed very often. For my last Ultra, I did want to know how many miles of it I RAN and how many I hiked. it got me close, but I would have set up the bins differently. it was a 'nice to know', but not essential.

Other than that- pace bins have little usefulness for me, as nothing is flat where I run. So, HR is a much better way to determine intensity.

 

[urtenmurtel]

thanks for the answers!
I will write to the Suunto team without too many expectations. I have Strava Premium and will stick with it for the duration of my marathon training. Pity though, I generally like Movescount and this should be an easy fix (and if the three of us noticed people at Suunto must have had similar thoughts when testing this function). I would for example use it for pace (I am not running much on hills) but also my cadence as I am trying to improve my running form.
Another similar really simple thing missing is the ability to zoom the y-axis on their graphs.
Well, Movescount is probably not their top priority although they maybe shouldnt underestimate the importance of these platforms in keeping people in the brand.

 

[wydim]

I like movescount mainly for the SUMMARY page (calendar, multiple moves selection, activity filter, tags, etc...) for everything else, there's Masterca.... I mean... Strava, training peaks, etc...

I like strava for the way the friends activity feed is similar to facebook. And also the "previous 4 weeks" summary and the "year-to-date summary (distance, time, averages per week, number of rides, etc) and of course, their proprietary segments races !

If I was running Suunto, I would not let go of movescount but it wouldn't be my priority. IMO, they should stick at what they're good : Excellent hardware and almost as good internal software. And they listenned, because they made the automatic moves transfer to STRAVA and Training peaks

 

[urtenmurtel]

yeah you are probably right and true also the reverse with excellent movescount but only limited or painful data export would be far worse....
and strava is fun after all

 

[TRYUKO]

Dear friends,
Creating an application would help you to analyze your move.
Below one is the app I tried to use for tracking how much time I keep my pace zone between 3:30 min/km(The figure 210 in the formula refers that pace) and 3:45 (The figure 225 in the formula refers that pace) min/km during an activity.
Hope this will help
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/* Target App */
/* Interval 1 */

/* Initialize variables */
if (SUUNTO_DURATION == 0) {
ACTUAL = 0;
TO = 0;
FROM = 0;
FORMATPACE = 0;
TARGET = 0;
TARGETSEC = 0;
TARGETMIN = 0;
RESULT = 0;
..

/* Lap 1 is step type Interval with target type Pace */
if (SUUNTO_LAP_NUMBER == 1) {
ACTUAL = SUUNTO_PACE * 60;
FROM = 210;
TO = 225;
FORMATPACE = 1;
postfix = "/km";
..

/* Set target value */
if (ACTUAL > TO) {
TARGET = TO;
.. else if (ACTUAL < FROM) {
TARGET = FROM;
.. else {
TARGET = ACTUAL;
..

/* Check if result should be formatted as pace and lables reversed */
if (FORMATPACE == 1) {
if (ACTUAL > TO) {
prefix ="up";
.. else if (ACTUAL < FROM) {
prefix = "dwn";
.. else {
prefix = "ok";
..

TARGETSEC = Suunto.mod(TARGET, 60);
TARGETMIN = (TARGET - TARGETSEC) / 60;
RESULT = TARGETMIN + TARGETSEC/100;
.. else {
if (ACTUAL > TO) {
prefix ="dwn";
.. else if (ACTUAL < FROM) {
prefix = "up";
.. else {
prefix = "ok";
..

RESULT = TARGET;
..
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