WatchUSeek Watch Forums banner

1 - 15 of 15 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hello everybody, well this is my first pocket watch. I was my grandfathers, he was born in 1900 and died in 1979 so when he aquired it is anybodys geuss. It has scribed on the back F E Taylor or R & Taylor. I know to identify this watch it would be usefull to remove the back to see the movement, but one of the two small screws holding it on will not move. If nobody can help I will take it to a jewelers to get the back removed and photograph the movement. Any help would be greatley appreciated, many thanks.
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,771 Posts
You should be able to open the dust cover with a sharp knife or case opener. It's likely hinged and should snap open and nest inside the caseback.
All I can tell you now is that it's a key-wind, which probably dates it before 1890. We need to see the movement to help you further.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,771 Posts
Well you are getting there but what we see now is the dust cap. There is a little crescent shaped catch at 11 0'clock in the photo. Try moving that over to the left and see if the cap comes off.
I think we are looking at an English made watch manufactured prior to 1875.
Also take some photos of the hallmarks on the inside of the case dust cover. I can't read them from your photo and those are often useful in dating the case anyway.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,743 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,771 Posts
Good news and bad news.
First the bad news. Since Mr. Burdess has sadly been out of business for over 120 years, the serial number won't be of much use to date the movement.
Now the good news. The silver hallmarks are from Chester, dated 1877 AND the case and movement numbers match. So the case is original and the watch was in all probability made around 1877 in Coventry England.
This is a lovely antique and you need to take it to a very competent watchmaker to get it checked over and serviced if possible. Do not attempt to wind and run it for any length of time as it is invariably dry and in need of lubrication.
If you can't afford to get it serviced right now, put it away and don't use it until you can. You don't want to mess it up by running it dry.
I guess I was out a couple of years on my first guess. Sorry. :oops: :-d
Thanks Marrick for the link and useful info.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
18,176 Posts
Thanks very much, I would not have been able to do this without your help. I think the watchmaker is Adam Burdess or Bundess from Coventry, England. The number inside is 24828. I hope this helps.
The silver hallmarks are interesting... the case is British Sterling assayed in Chester. The date code is either 1832 or 1877 or 1897... here is the list so you can decide for yourself. I think it's 1832...

"By 1850 there were 2000 watchmakers in Coventry" but I find nothing on the one you mention. Others may be more successful.

Addition: Ah, I see our esteemed moderators were more successful than I!!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,771 Posts
No I think it's likely 1877. Burdess was not in business in 1832 nor 1897 according to what we see in Marrick's link. A watch like this could not have been made in 1832 and by 1897 they weren't making keywinds any longer.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
75 Posts
Good news and bad news.
First the bad news. Since Mr. Burdess has sadly been out of business for over 120 years, the serial number won't be of much use to date the movement.
Now the good news. The silver hallmarks are from Chester, dated 1877 AND the case and movement numbers match. So the case is original and the watch was in all probability made around 1877 in Coventry England.
This is a lovely antique and you need to take it to a very competent watchmaker to get it checked over and serviced if possible. Do not attempt to wind and run it for any length of time as it is invariably dry and in need of lubrication.
If you can't afford to get it serviced right now, put it away and don't use it until you can. You don't want to mess it up by running it dry.
I guess I was out a couple of years on my first guess. Sorry. :oops: :-d
Thanks Marrick for the link and useful info.
Ray: Its not even my watch and I can't help but be grateful for your advice and info here. Good on mate.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7 Posts
Discussion Starter · #14 ·
Ok thanks Ray, well my first post was just 8hrs ago and i have learned a lot since then, so thanks to everybody. I have also found this on a website, i think it is a German or austrian site but there is some text in English about Adam Burdess. If you scroll down to the halfway point you will see it.
http://www.arteorientalis.com/saat.htm
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
23,771 Posts
Thanks for your kind words. JohnF and I try our very best to help out with identification and we have great members here who contribute.
 
1 - 15 of 15 Posts
Top