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I'm on the search for a my first nice Swiss made watch. And would like to get some watch expert's opninons...
This will be my first major watch purchase for me, and I've learned many things in the past couple weeks. I'm looking for something in the 3-5k range.

Now I've narrowed it down to 2 watches... The Tag Heuer Grand Carrera Cal. 17 Chrono or the MontBlanc Timewalker Chrono.
Tag is a reputable watch making company with lots of heritage... Montblanc, well is a historic pen company, but with high standards just started to make watches. I've read lots of good things of Montblanc; purchase of Minerva, part of Richemont grp, and has high standards in their products... But its it a good watch? Where would Montblanc and Tag rate in prestige/quality compared to Omega/Rolex?

Now the main question I'd like to ask you watch aficionados is what do you all think is a better movement? the ETA 2894-2 or the Valjoux 7750? I see the 2894 has more jewels, does that mean its a higher quality/more complicated movement?

The Grand Carrera uses a Calibre 17 which is an ETA 2894-2. (28,800 bph, 37 jewels,)
The Montblanc uses their 4810/502 Caliber, based upon the ETA-Valjoux 7750 movement. (28,800bph, 27 jewels)
I've read that the 2894 is more expensive but its not a true chronograph and the 7750 is... does that make a difference?

It's been hard to find info about Montblanc watches in general, if anyone here has one, please post on how you feel about it.
I really appreciate everyone's help.


oh here are pics of the watches I'm thinking about.. please feel free to comment.

Tag Heuer Grand Carrera Cal 17.



MontBlanc Timewalker Chrono


Thanks and Happy Holidays :)
 
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I'd go for the TAG just because I like the watch more.

The ETA 2894-2 costs about 300 SFR. The ETA 2894-2 isn't a module chrono in a coventional sense/mind becuase the gear train is mounted on the top of the plate.
 

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Tag is a reputable watch making company with lots of heritage... Montblanc, well is a historic pen company, but with high standards just started to make watches. I've read lots of good things of Montblanc; purchase of Minerva, part of Richemont grp, and has high standards in their products... But its it a good watch? Where would Montblanc and Tag rate in prestige/quality compared to Omega/Rolex?

Minerva used to make great watches at great prices before they were sold by the founding family. The new owners invested in new equipment but that meant it became upscale in pricing. The brand was subsequently acquired by Richemont and I believe they make watches for Montblanc.

With regards to quality, you won't go far wrong with a Minerva product but if you're buying into a brand's history and prestige, Montblanc has some way to go, being a penmaker mostly. Not that ppl won't recognize a Montblanc, but I bet someone will exclaim "They make watches?".

Tag Heuer, otoh, is a watch brand through and through that's known for a sporty/young image. In my part of the world, the ordinary person will rate Rolex first, followed by Omega and Tag (cheapest).

Now the main question I'd like to ask you watch aficionados is what do you all think is a better movement? the ETA 2894-2 or the Valjoux 7750? I see the 2894 has more jewels, does that mean its a higher quality/more complicated movement?

Movement wise, the Valjoux is THE chrono workhorse of the industry and you'll find the 7750 in various grades and guises across the entire price band from 500 to 5000 and above. The Tag though, features a heavily modified version of the Valjoux, which IMHO, makes it dressier than practical. It doesn't have an hour counter, for example.

The 2894 is basically a chrono module slapped on top of a 2892. The 2892 is the base calibre which many houses use to build their own inhouse calibres. These include Omega and IWC. It is a very accurate timekeeper and considered a premier calibre.

The Grand Carrera uses a Calibre 17 which is an ETA 2894-2. (28,800 bph, 37 jewels,)
The Montblanc uses their 4810/502 Caliber, based upon the ETA-Valjoux 7750 movement. (28,800bph, 27 jewels)
I've read that the 2894 is more expensive but its not a true chronograph and the 7750 is... does that make a difference?

If by true chrono one means a movement designed from the ground up, then the 2894 doesn't qualify. Function and quality however, are not inferior to a 7750. In fact, the relative rarity of this movement may be a positive factor towards attractiveness. The subdial positions are also reminiscent of El Primero/Daytona, which are considered the premier chronograph movements of today. It may be cheaper to service since the chrono module may be swapped for a new one, vs. the entire movement for a Valjoux.

It's been hard to find info about Montblanc watches in general, if anyone here has one, please post on how you feel about it.
I really appreciate everyone's help.

I will go for the Montblanc because:

1. It is more legible and cleaner. Nothing mars a chrono more than a busy dial.
2. Tags are too common. I like exclusivity.
3. From a distance, the Tag looks like the face of Mickey Mouse. Distinctive, but too loud for me.
4. There is an air of understated refinement from the Montblanc which is equally at home under a shirt and tie, as well as on the racetrack.
5. The date wheel is color matched to the dial, which shows attention to detail.
 

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I love the new Grand Carrera and have wanted the original Carrera for years, but other watches keep jumping a head in line. The new Carrera for sure if I was buying. I should say that I have looked into Montblanc in general and have fine pieces, but the Grand edges them out for me.
 

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I have a Montblanc GMT and it is really well put together, combined with a high-end Valjoux 7750 version with the extra 2 jewels, you should be able to achieve stunning accuracy and durability.

Montblanc Company, I believe, started life in the watch Industry before they started making pens, their quality control, design and finishing is particularly good as you would expect from this high end company “Real Quality Stands Out”

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I spent the other day at some various watch stores. My eye kept going to the Grand Carrera and the size of the Timewalker always caught my eye. I just wish there was a AD that carried both so I could see them side by side.

The Grand Carrera seems to be a hot model, with very limited stores atm that has them in stock (especially the black dial cal.17). A few my friends (and wife) think that spending 5k ($4995cnd retail) on a Tag is a bit much, friends suggest Omega at that price range (the usual answer). I'm assuming the Grand Carrera is in Tag's higher end line? How well do Tag's finish their movements? Think any worries about he rotating min/sec display?

The Timewalker, also hard to find a Montblanc AD that sells/carries this watch, is 4k-ish ($4150 retail). I know Montblanc isn't the watch making giant like Tag is, producing far less pieces a year. How do you think they will hold their value?

What is the average discount I should look for/ask for at an authorized watch dealer? do Tag's usually offer more discount compared to Montblancs? (that seems to be what I experienced).
 
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If you like the watch, why not? Movement reliability wise, well, they're both mechanical chronographs with sub-second capabilities. The tiny gears will wear and tear. They're expensive to service, but it comes with the territory.

Value. Hmmm, that's a question that's asked often on the forum. For one, you'll probably find it easier to sell the Tag. Most watches (other than Rolex) take a 20% or more hit once it walks out of the AD.

A watch is more like an expensive suit than real estate, so I will suggest buying the watch you like more than one that holds its value.

Discount wise, depends on location. 18-20% for Omega is rather common.
 

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I spent the other day at some various watch stores. My eye kept going to the Grand Carrera and the size of the Timewalker always caught my eye. I just wish there was a AD that carried both so I could see them side by side.

The Grand Carrera seems to be a hot model, with very limited stores atm that has them in stock (especially the black dial cal.17). A few my friends (and wife) think that spending 5k ($4995cnd retail) on a Tag is a bit much, friends suggest Omega at that price range (the usual answer). I'm assuming the Grand Carrera is in Tag's higher end line? How well do Tag's finish their movements? Think any worries about he rotating min/sec display?

The Timewalker, also hard to find a Montblanc AD that sells/carries this watch, is 4k-ish ($4150 retail). I know Montblanc isn't the watch making giant like Tag is, producing far less pieces a year. How do you think they will hold their value?

What is the average discount I should look for/ask for at an authorized watch dealer? do Tag's usually offer more discount compared to Montblancs? (that seems to be what I experienced).
Wow, did not realize the price point on the Grand Carrera, in that price range it opens up a lot of other doors. It is tough on the forums because everyone has their favorites, if this is your favorite then go for it. You know you did the right thing if it is on your wrist and you never look back. If you start to look back, return it immediately, IMO.
 

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Those are both really nice looking watches.
I handled some Montblanc models in a boutique in Vegas a couple yrs. ago and they were super nice.
You'd get killed on re-sale with either but that's true of most any watch.
 

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I agree watches are not investments unless you spend a lot of $, I think that given Montblanc’s obsession with quality, their market placement and the relatively small production runs, some of these early watches, might;;; become collectors Items in the future like the pens. IMO many people recognize Montblanc’s Logo as a Symbol of high Quality, especially women (those experts on all things retail). ;-)
 

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I saw the new Grand Carreras at my AD last week. While the concept sounds cool, when I saw the watch in person, it didn't look nearly as good as it sounded...:-(
 

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I saw the new Grand Carreras at my AD last week. While the concept sounds cool, when I saw the watch in person, it didn't look nearly as good as it sounded...:-(
I own the only watch in the tag lineup I like.. and im even a little bored with that. To me.. if your really like watches, the tag just isnt unique enough to be excite a hobbyist the point of fulfillment. Id prefer something you can find in macy's "Tag" or the corner jewelry shop in the mall. Of course thats just my opinion and something to think about. The GC is an expensive watch too..
 

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I noticed the timewalker comes in a pilot chrono version...
Is there a difference in a "pilot" chrono and a regular , or is that just a way of describing a chrono w/ 2 subdials?
btw pilot version is 100$ more, any reason for that?

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I agree watches are not investments unless you spend a lot of $, I think that given Montblanc’s obsession with quality, their market placement and the relatively small production runs, some of these early watches, might;;; become collectors Items in the future like the pens. IMO many people recognize Montblanc’s Logo as a Symbol of high Quality, especially women (those experts on all things retail). ;-)
I agree to some level on Montblanc, but the whole line up in general does not excite me. The GC Tag excites me, but at that price to Tragic's point you would get hammered. Now if you are going to keep and it down the generations then it does not matter. I will say I have purchased watches that I was going to have forever......we all know how that story goes.
 

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I think that the two watches are pretty comparable in quality. On thing to consider is whether you will really be using the chronograph function.

The Tag is a very handsome, even striking, watch (do I need another chrono?). But the Montblanc is much more legible, especially the chronograph. If you think you'll get a lot of use out of the chronograph, I think you'll find the Montblanc more readable.
 

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Hi 3.2Vtec,

I know this is an old thread but was just wondering, did you get an answer to this question, the pilot chronograph & the regular chrorograph, what is the difference; i have researched and found that the movements are different - the pilot has a 4810/505 movement and the regular chronograph has a 4810/502 movement but what on earth does that mean? lol. I am not a watch expert and trying to decide between these 2 models. Your advice? Also did you buy, if yes, was it from a montblanc boutique? was there any discount? Please help! im about to spend $3950 USdollars which for me is a lot, it will be my first real watch.... Your prompt response will be much appreciated. Thanks! Adam

I noticed the timewalker comes in a pilot chrono version...
Is there a difference in a "pilot" chrono and a regular , or is that just a way of describing a chrono w/ 2 subdials?
btw pilot version is 100$ more, any reason for that?

pilot chrono


reg chrono
 
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