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found some more Gems! Skyblue colour Sandeep, Roman dial Janata Deluxe, Good old Shalimar, Akash
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Really liking the white dial Nass11.
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Great colour combination here.
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Yes Hari! That's an authentic HMT "Sandeep" sky blue dial
Janata Transparent Back Cover Sil-Gd , on a HMT Inox Strap
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Dear Hari, very interesting note of yours on deciphering of the case codes. To add, I have a Kohinoor Black Dial bought online in 2015 with case code 040911 screw-type back. Can I infer that this is made in WFT (Tumkur) since WF-4 is Tumkur and probably produced in 2011 - but one doubt that creeps in, is whether WFT produced hand-winders in 2011 as some say WFT stopped making mechanicals in 90s and shifted entirely to Quartz production. That leaves us to think about the other two - WF-3 (Chinar) and WF-5 (Ranibagh) but the coding convention is again different since WF-3 has 4 digits without gap eg. 0398 and Ranibagh has 6 digits in split form eg. 5 11 005. Anyway that you could help me out to infer ? One additional info is the bottom print on the dial says INDIA 0231 as the movement type.
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04-09-11 the convention of marking the year of manufacture of the case back is not very clear. perhaps it can also mean 2009? anyway, yes some Tumkur produced Jubilees were available as late as 2012-13. Tumkur is a rapidly re configurable plant making both types. In fact, it is the factory in the best condition out of the 5 plants.
WF3 has had other case codes too with more than 4digits IIRC, which I will have to dig out.
I think they always used "PARA SHOCK" or "PARASHOCK", but why not post a photo?
Well, it is a watch I came across on ebay. Link below
HMT Jawahar Machanical Very Rare Vintage Watch NEW Year | eBay
A dealer showed me an HMT Janata art deco with lumed minute and hour hands like those of the Pilot. Usually we see needle non lumed hands on Janata. When I asked about the departure he attributed the same to the mix and match approach of HMT in using hour and minute hands of one model on another. Everything else on the dial was normal.
Wondering if that is really true.
Wondering if that is really true.
There was actually a Janata Luminous model which pre-dates the Art Deco Janata dial, but I don't think it's very common. It is effectively a white Pilot, long before the recent white Pilot. There have also been other Janatas with lumed hands (including some versions of Janata Deluxe, I think), but not often boat hands, and I don't think at all often on an Art Deco dial.
Ultimately, the dealer is of course right that HMT's mix and match approach created all sorts of variations, but many are undocumented, and it is often said that there are no official records. And it is also true that the hands are often changed post-manufacture.
Ultimately, the dealer is of course right that HMT's mix and match approach created all sorts of variations, but many are undocumented, and it is often said that there are no official records. And it is also true that the hands are often changed post-manufacture.
My impression is that the dial, hour and minute hands and case are probably original, but I will be interested to know from someone like Hari whether that impression is well-founded or not. The seller's photos are not the clearest, which doesn't help much and could easily hide some re-touching on the dial.
I can confirm from some googling that there are some genuine Jawahar black dials with SHOCK PROOF, although PARA SHOCK seems to be the normal for this model as it is with the others I know of. If someone more knowledgeable can tell us more, I'll be very pleased to learn more.
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There is white kohinoor made available on hmt site if anybody is missing it in their collection
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