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Pretty cool pawn shop find today... you will see two names on this: William Christie and Hume. Wondering if there are any experts out there who could tell me a little more about the makers or date of this piece. Runs, btw :):thanks
 

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I am a total nubie too but I have surmised the names on the movements are usually the retailer. Of course, that may only be true for the later English watches. Earlier ones like this may not be factory made. Almost anyone else will know more than me so stay tuned!
 

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Hi - Im not going to be of any help, Ill tell you that from the get go. But completely off the point - Im fascinated by the piece of paper ephemera thats crimped into the case. A piece of advertising from Lawrence Kirk, who worked on or sold the watch?. I hope youll keep that part of the watch's history.There is so little we know of the history of watch of any age, and there you have a beautiful little piece of it. Best regards.
 

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In Britten's 9th edition a Charles Hume, London is listed for 1830 and that goes with the 1835 hall mark (U) on the case. Also the leopard hallmark for the London Assay Office and the rampant lion for sterling silver is seen in your photo. Almost all English watches from this era were marked with the maker and the maker's location.

The only thing strange to my eyes is the style of the movement, I'd expect to see it in a case marked 1790-1800. The case however is appropriate for 1835.
 

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Casemaker mark JW in oval shape cameo is likely John Williams, 56 Great Sutton Street, EC1. That particular mark was registered first time 1815, and last time 1837.
I agree with Ron on the movement looking older than the case.
 

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The only thing strange to my eyes is the style of the movement, I'd expect to see it in a case marked 1790-1800. The case however is appropriate for 1835.
Is it possible that the movement was sort of "new old stock" and made earlier by either a different "Hume" OR an older movement acquired then modified by the 1830's "Hume"? ...

Guess we can't really know :think:
 

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It is possible the movement was recased in 1835. There are at least 4 different Hume (listed in Loomes) who were working around the turn of the century (1800).
 

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I agree that this looks like an earlier Verge than 1830's, especially with the Tompion
regulator fitted, but some watchmakers were loathe to change and it could be all
original. The case and movement numbers match.
Nice catch.
 

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Did this forum suddenly become a sales forum?

Frankly, I'm all for vintages having their own FS, WTB, and WTT forums, it would simplify tracking down obscure parts and trading running vintage movements to complete "projects" .. but unless the rules have changed recently posts like this are to be kept to the appropriate forums.
 

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Did this forum suddenly become a sales forum?

Frankly, I'm all for vintages having their own FS, WTB, and WTT forums, it would simplify tracking down obscure parts and trading running vintage movements to complete "projects" .. but unless the rules have changed recently posts like this are to be kept to the appropriate forums.
I missed this one... for a while. Sorry about that. Right now I'm the only active moderator here. I can always use help. Report posts by clicking on the ! in the triangle and I'll get to it quicker in the future.
 

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Actually, this is a good point bjohnson raises.

Can we please have a vintage sub forum in sales? I don't bother with the regular one at all, because I can't find the vintages in the morass of modern flotsam.

Eeeb? Mods?
Sales forums are a pain to moderate. They attract folks who come just to sell watches and who often push the rules to do so. And sometimes they attract scammers who need to be detected and removed. Then you get nubies who just haven't read the rules and who need guidance.

So this would take increased moderator effort. We would need some new blood as the current Vintage mods are pretty bandwidth limited at this time.

I have noticed the best sales moderators are often active members who have used those forums themselves. If you are interested, send me a PM. All mods are subject to peer review. Folks who have tangled with moderators are not likely to become moderators and Ernie The Owner has the final say in all management decisions.

I'll report this post to the Mod Squad and John will thus see it (Steve is taking a real vacation - one where you don't connect to the Internet :)) And I'll see what the other mods say.

We need a definition of Vintage... 20 years+??? (That's what we used in the car world...)
 
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