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"Orient M-FORCE (Force M) 200m" Release

BEAST has been popular model is called the (Beast) JIS with a spec that meets the criteria 200m Divers watch as the new appearance of the waterproof





(copy paste from Orient Watch Japan Website)
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  • Drive system: mechanical
  • Caliber: 40N5A
  • Case material: stainless steel
  • Glass material (Table): sapphire glass
  • : Luminous Light has
  • Band material (surface treatment): stainless steel
  • Bandwidth: 24mm
  • : Fraction of three-fold formula W push lock
  • Accuracy: +25 seconds ~ -15 second day difference
  • Waterproof: Waterproof for scuba diving 200m
  • : Anti-magnetic one
  • Drive time: 40 hours or more
  • Weight:
  • Thickness: 14.5mm
  • : Longitudinal diameter 53.0mm
  • : Transverse diameter 52.0mm
  • Other Features: Automatic winding (hand winding), with second hand stop device, power reserve, 22 stones
  • Warranty: 1 year


Orient Watch Co., Ltd. (Headquarters: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, President: Jiro Miyagawa, Capital: ¥ 19 437 million), the "Orient M-FORCE (Force M) 200 meters " type three items a price (61,950 yen will be released across the country from March 24, 2012, a) [tax].
"Orient M-FORCE" is a full-fledged sports watches the first step was released in 1997. As the name of (= mechanical force), as a mechanical watch that expresses the "strength", has received the support of many people at the time of release from M-FORCE.This time to release "Orient M-FORCE 200 meters " , the model since it launched in 1999, has been popular and is called BEAST (Beast) from some enthusiastic fan, 200m for the JIS standard scuba diving The new appearance as a diver's watch with shock absorption by water features and special structure.200m waterproof case, the sides of the case to guard the bezel is a characteristic, such as adopting a size that presence full of 47mm, was a tough finish to the design of impression aptly termed the "BEAST" exactly.Place the screw-down crown at 9 o'clock so as not to impair the operation of the arm region when worn, by arranging the red marker for confirmation that loose crown guard, even the accent of design functionality as well as has become.In terms of features, has been featured hand-wound power reserve indicator and in addition the rest of the clock driving time at a glance, in the usual self-winding, the second hand stop function. Minute hand is equipped with a shape easy to recognize in an instant, respectively, the index is adopted as the phosphorescent N,, depending on the type of clasp formula broken three push W lock to prevent accidental removal from the arm by a malfunction, the spec is not essential to the diver's watch when .High functionality as well as diving watches, such as adopting a red plus basic black, navy to dial in, can also be used as your everyday watch fashion was also excellent.- Commercial product overview is needed -[Product Name]Orient M-FORCE (Force M) 200m[Release Date]March 24, 2012[Release] regionWhole country[Price / van / character; No. Yen WV0071EL / Black / 61,950 (tax included)Yen WV0081EL / Navy / 61,950 (tax included)Yen WV0091EL / Red / 61,950 (tax included)[Product SpecificationsSelf-winding (hand winding)Scuba diving waterproof 200m (seed JIS1)22 stoneSecond hand stop devicePower reserve indicatorRotating bezel (the structure to prevent reverse rotation)Case: Stainless Steel Gray × platingThickness 14.5mm 52.0mm / horizontal 53.0mm / verticalGlass: Sapphire glassThree fold clasp push formula W: Rock BandScrew-in crownLuminous LightAn antimagnetic species(At maximum hoisting or more): 40 hours driving time-15 Seconds +25 seconds difference between the Sun:? Static accuracy
 

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At 52mm its way too large. I wish they stuck closer to the original beast design.
 

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$530 is still about double of what it should go for. There are a better watches you can get for $530.
Not sure I agree. A quick look around at other $265-$530 divers suggests a fairly small pool of models out there that are equal or better. Which ones have a:

Power reserve indicator
Sapphire crystal
Excellent lume
Hacks and hand winds
In house movement with a reputation for accuracy and durability
ISO tested for magnetic, shock and water resistance

Plus, I like the looks (the most important reason, really).
 

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Let's give the new M-Force a chance. It hasn't been released yet! The specifications look pretty good to me. I know that the Japan List Price of 61,950 JYN is generally reduced 25-30% when sold retail. Remember too that the YEN is very strong against the US$
 

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Not sure I agree. A quick look around at other $265-$530 divers suggests a fairly small pool of models out there that are equal or better.
Can you list the divers you think are a substantially better buy between $350-$530?
Really? You guys cant think of any better diver for the money? The M-Force retails for $760, that is a 300M tuna territory. For $300-$450 you can get:
Seiko Samurai (Discontinued but still can be found new) $275-$325
Seiko Sumo (Discontinued but still can be found new) $375-$450
Seiko SBBN007 (Discontinued but still can be found new) $675-$750
Seiko SBBN015 $850-$1100
Halios Laguna, 500M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2824-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $670
Halios 1000M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2827-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $760 (same as the M-Force)

This is just to name a few. And yes cal. 469 is a great movement but its the same one they have been using since 1971 and it is found in every single orient watch, all they do is add a lever to it so it can hack and flip it around so the crown now is at 9, big whoop. Its not worth $760, or $530 or anywhere near that.
 

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Really? You guys cant think of any better diver for the money? The M-Force retails for $760, that is a 300M tuna territory. For $300-$450 you can get:
Seiko Samurai (Discontinued but still can be found new) $275-$325
Seiko Sumo (Discontinued but still can be found new) $375-$450
Seiko SBBN007 (Discontinued but still can be found new) $675-$750
Seiko SBBN015 $850-$1100
Halios Laguna, 500M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2824-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $670
Halios 1000M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2827-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $760 (same as the M-Force)

This is just to name a few. And yes cal. 469 is a great movement but its the same one they have been using since 1971 and it is found in every single orient watch, all they do is add a lever to it so it can hack and flip it around so the crown now is at 9, big whoop. Its not worth $760, or $530 or anywhere near that.
Your comparing retail price of the orient to gray market and used price of the Seiko's.

There is nothing separating the caliber 469 movement from any of those Seiko movements other than propaganda and religious belief.

ShopNBC brands and forum brands like Halios should never be compared to a major brand name or even spoken in the same paragraph. If you need further explanation of this it wouldn't do any good to try to explain, it's something you have to figure out for your self.

@Kew I'm so happy to see an orient with the Crown on the correct side of the case I could cry! :-d
 
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Hailos is a Shop NBC/forum brand ha, great logic. I quoted Hailos prices from their site, they are not gray market. The $530 M-Force price is on Amazon JP and not retail. You cant buy from Amazon JP unless you are in Japan or have someone who can forward the watch elsewhere in the world. Yes the 469 is Seikos 7005 movement but Seikos in that price range always have better fit, finish and better bracelets but you guys can buy whatever you want, I could not care less. It is my opinion that there are better watches out there and I am sticking to it.
 

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Really? You guys cant think of any better diver for the money? The M-Force retails for $760, that is a 300M tuna territory. For $300-$450 you can get:
Seiko Samurai (Discontinued but still can be found new) $275-$325
Seiko Sumo (Discontinued but still can be found new) $375-$450
Seiko SBBN007 (Discontinued but still can be found new) $675-$750
Seiko SBBN015 $850-$1100
Halios Laguna, 500M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2824-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $670
Halios 1000M, sapphire, Swiss ETA 2827-2, all solid bracelet. Retails for $760 (same as the M-Force)

This is just to name a few. And yes cal. 469 is a great movement but its the same one they have been using since 1971 and it is found in every single orient watch, all they do is add a lever to it so it can hack and flip it around so the crown now is at 9, big whoop. Its not worth $760, or $530 or anywhere near that.
Guys, the watch hasn't been released yet. :-d There are two of three watch shops on Rakuten selling the M-Force as pre-release for about US$530 which means US$530 is the selling price at this stage in Japan. What the selling price will be outside of Japan who knows? The Seiko Sumo sells for about the same price in Japan but does not have a power reserve indicator and nor has it a sapphire crystal. Whether or not the M-Force has a solid end link, we really don't know yet.

Wasn't the Samurai discontinued long ago and still no power reserve or sapphire crystal. As for the rest of them, they are a fair bit more price wise.... :)
 
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