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Pardon my ignorance if this has been discussed, but I just get an advertisement for new Siekos withthe 4R35 movement.

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Are these new or just now available to the USA?

Any thoughts on the 4R35?
 

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A few of those are not too bad. I believe that movement is a more economical alternative to the 6r15 movement. Hacks and hand winds but cheaper mainspring and shorter power reserve. Still the hacking/handwinding makes it a step up from the lower end 7s26 and 4r15.
 

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^Yeah I'm more interested in the SARB series of Seikos that contain a 6R15 movement. Also the Orient Star series look pretty nice.
 

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These are available in SG for about a week already. But only thru some retailers, hence not so widely known to all. I can confirm that the movements are really hackable and winding. Definitely are 4rXX movements, but i can't be sure whether izzit 15 or 35 w/o day wheel.
 

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Perhaps this is more of a hand windable and hackable 7s26 than 6r15, no? If so, that's ok. All of my 7s movements are less than 10 seconds per day and are easily adjustable. Plus, it looks like this Presage series has sapphire on it also. If that's the case these watches are a good deal considering what you get.
 

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Perhaps this is more of a hand windable and hackable 7s26 than 6r15, no? If so, that's ok. All of my 7s movements are less than 10 seconds per day and are easily adjustable. Plus, it looks like this Presage series has sapphire on it also. If that's the case these watches are a good deal considering what you get.
Very brief internet search revealed that they might have simply taken the 6r15 and used a cheaper spring, for less power reserve and possibly less accuracy.
 

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4R35 movements are those that are just with date wheels.

4R36 comes with addition of a day wheel. Examples are...
watches88. SEIKO 5 Sports World Timer Collection 100M Automatic SRP125K1
watches88. SEIKO 5 Sports World Timer Collection 100M Automatic SRP127K1
watches88. SEIKO 5 Sports World Timer Collection 100M Automatic SRP129K1

Model SRP132 is a limited edition, with higher price tag.

Both 4R3x movements have shorter reserve than 4R1x movements
Does the World Timer Bezel really do anything useful, and what is the function of the 24 hour time ring around the outside? If all you can do is rotate the bezel to line up the hour hand with a known city so you can find the time of other cities, then that's pretty lame. I have an SRP165K1, with a 4R36A movement, and it's keeping great time. I haven't checked its PR yet, but the 4R36A is definitely not a warmed over 7Sxx, or a dumbed down 4R16!
 

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To me... and perhaps some other who communicate with people outside their country frequently, the rotating bezel is really a good tool to be there... of course to the tradditional divers watch collectors, the bezel seems to be some kind of wierd as there's no timing markers on the bezel for practical diving use.
 

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Maybe it's just bad photos, but they all have a generic look to me.
Also a lot of them share the exact same case, bezel, crown, and bracelet.

So a lot of these models are almost identical, the only difference being the dial, and in some cases the color of the case or the watch is on a strap.
 

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Very brief internet search revealed that they might have simply taken the 6r15 and used a cheaper spring, for less power reserve and possibly less accuracy.
I agree.The 4R36A movement in my SRP165K1 looks very much like photos. of the 6R15 that I found on the web. By the way, my SRP165K1 is keeping scary good time on my wrist. Its gained 15 seconds in the last week, and 12 seconds of that was on a winder! Mine also exhibits very little time variation for varying states of wind.
 

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I agree.The 4R36A movement in my SRP165K1 looks very much like photos. of the 6R15 that I found on the web. By the way, my SRP165K1 is keeping scary good time on my wrist. Its gained 15 seconds in the last week, and 12 seconds of that was on a winder! Mine also exhibits very little time variation for varying states of wind.
This is good to read, because I read a lot of complaints about the the new 4R3x movements. Mainly about the accuracy (or lack thereof).
Royy C.'s SRP113 (4R35) also keeps good time I read.
Maybe there's still hope for them :)

I really welcome these new watches.
Seiko's main weakness (IMO) is size, there are SO many Seikos that I would immediately buy if they were only 2mm larger!
I see this Presage series of watches as a kind of dress watches (at least some of them) with a slightly bigger case than the usual 37 and 38mm models we all know (the sarbs and watches like those).
So I am delighted to read that the movements ARE capable of some decent accuracy |>
 

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I do NOT like the notches on the bezel. They mar what's otherwise a lovely watch. I have that problem a lot with Seikos...there's often just one detail too many.

Also a lot of them share the exact same case, bezel, crown, and bracelet.

So a lot of these models are almost identical, the only difference being the dial, and in some cases the color of the case or the watch is on a strap.
 

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had a chance to fondle some seiko 5s on the new movement about a couple of weeks back. try to hand wind it and, though unlike the buttery wind of the 6R15 (on the Sumo i also held) and that of the mm300, it is smooth nonetheless! very good for the price!!!
loving my 4R15 (spork) but the hand wind and hack is really nice to have! can't wait for the 200m divers to come out with the new movement! there are new ones coming in, but doesn't catch my fancy yet:
SRP233K1 (not in pic -- has red shroud, coolest actually)
SRP234K1
SRP236K1 (looks like a Monster's bezel was fitted on it, i may be wrong)

*pics from a post at our local watch forum
 

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This is good to read, because I read a lot of complaints about the the new 4R3x movements. Mainly about the accuracy (or lack thereof).
Royy C.'s SRP113 (4R35) also keeps good time I read.
Maybe there's still hope for them :)

I really welcome these new watches.
Seiko's main weakness (IMO) is size, there are SO many Seikos that I would immediately buy if they were only 2mm larger!
I see this Presage series of watches as a kind of dress watches (at least some of them) with a slightly bigger case than the usual 37 and 38mm models we all know (the sarbs and watches like those).
So I am delighted to read that the movements ARE capable of some decent accuracy |>
I should point out that I've had three of these new seikos(SRP127K1 and two SRP 165K1) with the new 4R36A movement, and I've returned two of them for excessive positional variation in their timekeeping. The SRP127K1, for example, showed +10 sec./day dial up and -60 sec./day crown up. This watch had excellent beat error performance(0-.2 msec) and good amplitude(greater than 250 degrees over the six usual positions), which makes the positional variation somewhat of a mystery. My take on this is that Seiko hasn't got all the issues worked out of these yet. As a result of my experience on this admittedly small sample, I'm going to hold off on buying any more with this movement for awhile.
 
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