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I came across this watch in a sale post and really liked the look of it.





Tried to do some searching online and couldn't find any real background info on the watch, but what I did find were lots of sale listings for other "NOS" examples:

https://www.watchrecon.com/?query=jacques+monnat&last_days=0

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...=2&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

Even Hodinkee was selling one: https://shop.hodinkee.com/products/...nnat-incabloc-chronograph?variant=19801002180

This has made me kind of suspicious. They only seem to have appeared since 2014/2015.
Was a box of them unearthed somewhere and they're spreading around the world? :)
 

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I've also noticed this massive influx of NOS examples. It's definitely suspicious. Something similar happened with Squale watches, where a batch of NOS bakelite bezels were "discovered", but in that case the company issued a special limited addition of new watches with the old bezels. With the Jacques Monnet watches, people are claiming left and right that the watches are actually 40+ years old, but completely shiny and new. The whole thing is extremely hard to believe, especially since there are basically no known examples that are old and worn, they are all NOS.
 

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A Valjoux 7736 has considerable value, and the movement I looked at in one of these watches - is not late production. I would say the one I saw on eBay has never been serviced and is indeed new - there is no sign of degradation etc.

The movement is worth a lot - I would be surprised if this was a marriage watch, as you can't find a quantity of 7736 movements hanging about.
 

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info here on Palmer corp

About PALMER SALES CORP

PALMER SALES CORP in New York is a company that specializes in Jewelry, Watches, Precious Stones, And Precious Metals. Our records show it was established in New York.
Company Address

64 W 48TH ST STE 607 New York, New York, 10036

PALMER SALES CORP - New York, New York

..and here.

On Tuesday, January 23, 1968, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for JACQUES MONNAT by PALMER SALES CORPORATION, NEW YORK 10017. The USPTO has given the JACQUES MONNAT trademark serial number of 72289419. The current federal status of this trademark filing is EXPIRED. The correspondent listed for JACQUES MONNAT is ?

JACQUES MONNAT Trademark of PALMER SALES CORPORATION. Serial Number: 72289419 :: Trademarkia Trademarks

Regards,

 

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I'd like to believe that they're totally legit, because they are kind of appealing to me. They are selling in the $1,200 range, so there are people out there who think they're worth something.
 

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A Valjoux 7736 has considerable value, and the movement I looked at in one of these watches - is not late production. I would say the one I saw on eBay has never been serviced and is indeed new - there is no sign of degradation etc.

The movement is worth a lot - I would be surprised if this was a marriage watch, as you can't find a quantity of 7736 movements hanging about.
This movement isn't a valjoux 23,22, 92 or 72. It is a cam operated movement with a very poor/average finish and which is far cry from the lemania 1873 regarding quality and durability. I have read somewhere that there were some rare Monnat valjoux 72 powered chronos. Good luck finding one
 

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This movement isn't a valjoux 23,22, 92 or 72. It is a cam operated movement with a very poor/average finish and which is far cry from the lemania 1873 regarding quality and durability. I have read somewhere that there were some rare Monnat valjoux 72 powered chronos. Good luck finding one
Doesn't change the reality that these Valjoux 7736 movements are getting very expensive and hard to find.
 

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I've been looking closer at some of these NOS examples being sold and noticed that some of them have the movement stamped with Palmer Sales and some don't.
Also, the case back reads 20 ATU on some, and 5 ATU on others. Very strange.
Some of these even have the pink case sticker still attached, or remnants of it lingering.

I'd like to believe that they're totally legit, because they are kind of appealing to me. They are selling in the $1,200 range, so there are people out there who think they're worth something.
Same here. It's so odd.

info here on Palmer corp

About PALMER SALES CORP

PALMER SALES CORP in New York is a company that specializes in Jewelry, Watches, Precious Stones, And Precious Metals. Our records show it was established in New York.
Company Address

64 W 48TH ST STE 607 New York, New York, 10036

PALMER SALES CORP - New York, New York

..and here.

On Tuesday, January 23, 1968, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for JACQUES MONNAT by PALMER SALES CORPORATION, NEW YORK 10017. The USPTO has given the JACQUES MONNAT trademark serial number of 72289419. The current federal status of this trademark filing is EXPIRED. The correspondent listed for JACQUES MONNAT is ?

JACQUES MONNAT Trademark of PALMER SALES CORPORATION. Serial Number: 72289419 :: Trademarkia Trademarks

Regards,

Thanks for that info.

This movement isn't a valjoux 23,22, 92 or 72. It is a cam operated movement with a very poor/average finish and which is far cry from the lemania 1873 regarding quality and durability. I have read somewhere that there were some rare Monnat valjoux 72 powered chronos. Good luck finding one
There's one on eBay at the moment here. Different design, looks worn, but still pretty.
 

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I bought mine about 2 months a go and enjoyed it very much I'm not sure why the worrying... I sold mine just as fast as it came not that i wanted the watch to go but when someone wants it and you have enjoyed then there is room for a new Yema rallygraph ;)

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I bought mine about 2 months a go and enjoyed it very much I'm not sure why the worrying...
I'm glad you enjoyed yours and that you were able to flip it for a profit, but I think that the cause for concern is quite valid when the market is suddenly flooded with NOS watches that were previously unknown.

If you doubt it, google "fake fortis marinemaster" or "fake polerouter sub".
 

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I dont doubt it and i'm sure things in the market are selling with the excuse of been original to something but this isnt the case even if its not vintage its not telling you its real to something obscene expensive like a Rolex or a BP or other well known brands were crocks are looking to steal your money selling on the pretense of been something its not... in anyway good luck with your research...I dint flip for a profit i was able to traded for another watch I really wanted.

I'm glad you enjoyed yours and that you were able to flip it for a profit, but I think that the cause for concern is quite valid when the market is suddenly flooded with NOS watches that were previously unknown.

If you doubt it, google "fake fortis marinemaster" or "fake polerouter sub".
 

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I dont doubt it and i'm sure things in the market are selling with the excuse of been original to something but this isnt the case even if its not vintage its not telling you its real to something obscene expensive like a Rolex or a BP or other well known brands were crocks are looking to steal your money selling on the pretense of been something its not... in anyway good luck with your research...I dint flip for a profit i was able to traded for another watch I really wanted.
Huh?
 
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