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Hi guys! Firstly let me apologise for being a complete watch newbie. My brother recently died and I ended up with his collection of watches. Mostly Invicta dive watches which are pretty straight forward. However, he still had an old watch that my Dad left him. It's a Titus chronograph (hope that's the right term) with an 18 ct rose gold case and a hand painted copper dial. I took it to a local jeweller who knows his stuff, and he gave me a rough value, but said it was a guess, as according to his databases, Titus never made one with a copper face. I'm never going to sell it, but would love some more info on it. We know my Dad already had it when he met my Mum in 1952, but it could be a lot older. The strap is newish, but apparently the clasp is original. Would appreciate any assistance!

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Condolences on the loss of your Brother. I just lost my Father.

I am no expert, but a photo of the inside of the case back and the movement would be of great help in providing more information. There are many on this forum with a lot of knowledge who will know more.
 

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I would suggest being careful opening it. The distortions to the case back strongly suggest that this is one of gold cases commonly used for these where the gold is very thin.
 

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I'm no expert, but the dial could have been re-done. It just looks a bit off it some areas, like them black marks at around 9 and the non-magnetic looks too big.
Someone with more knowledge will show up soon.

Also, the dial looks a little askew to the right. The movement may be loose or something
 
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The dial is IMO re-done for certain- the Titus logo used looks to be the one used much later than when this piece was most likely made. Given the stick hands, I would guess late 1940s/early 1950s, but I might be wrong. The "non-magnetic" is an example of a shoddy job- the fonts is what the dial restorers get wrong all the time.
Looks to be a "budget" gold case, with a wafer-thin caseback. Mirius is right- be careful when opening it.
As to the copper-coloured dials in Titus, just google out "vintage titus chronograph", and you'll see some watches which do have that dial colour. Whether they're redials or not I don't know, but still, this might mean that before repainting this dial was copper-coloured as well.
 

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Given the evidence, I would even consider it likely that the watch started as a simple "Chronograph Suisse" and was "transformed" into a "Titus" by redialling. If the movement lacks the inscription "Titus", that would nearly clinch it.

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Plausible and highly likely to be true- but "budget" gold cases weren't a Chronographe Suisse thing only. As far as I know, some jewellers/ retailers bought movements and dials from well-known manufacturers, and had them installed in such cases. A friend of mine owns an example of that- an early 1940s Eterna, which was bought brand new by his grandfather, never has it been re-cased, and it does have such a case- which had to have a gold "disc" attached outside the caseback much later, to keep the bloody thing from deforming.
But if there's an unsigned Landeron inside this one, then Chronographe Suisse will be the only explanation indeed.
 

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