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That's not even a good fake!

As you've pointed out, one big tip off is the font used for the Illinois signature, which is nothing close to correct.

The unsunk seconds bit is another big tip-off-especially considering that the second hand is far too long for it. The typical dials for these(not the Montgomery dials) have a very big seconds bit that requires an unusually long second hand.

The minute hand is mismatched and incorrect. Even worse, however, is the fact that the end of the minute hand has been trimmed to make it line up with the minute chapter.

The movement on this one is junk, with crummy plates and a lot of rust. It might clean up okay, but I doubt it.

The case is pretty much its only redeeming quality-and it's not THAT redeeming.

IMO, the seller is in dreamland at their price. I think that half of it would still be high!
 

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That's not even a good fake!

As you've pointed out, one big tip off is the font used for the Illinois signature, which is nothing close to correct.

The unsunk seconds bit is another big tip-off-especially considering that the second hand is far too long for it. The typical dials for these(not the Montgomery dials) have a very big seconds bit that requires an unusually long second hand.

The minute hand is mismatched and incorrect. Even worse, however, is the fact that the end of the minute hand has been trimmed to make it line up with the minute chapter.

The movement on this one is junk, with crummy plates and a lot of rust. It might clean up okay, but I doubt it.

The case is pretty much its only redeeming quality-and it's not THAT redeeming.

IMO, the seller is in dreamland at their price. I think that half of it would still be high!
I didn't notice the nipped off minute hand, there's a lot i don't see yet. The WHOLE face hands and all looked odd though. The seller also seems to sell mainly old watches...???? She should know better.
 

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Here's what I would expect to see as far as a Montgomery dial on this one, or at least one of the styles that would be considered correct




And, although not the best condition example(it was all I had without taking another picture), here's what I believe the watch likely had originally based on the second hand

 

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Looks like a service dial. I'm going on memory from 25 years ago when I collected these, but I think service dials were common replacements for busted-up originals. Some were even marked "For (fill in the blank) Model." Don't quote me...
 

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I wish I could get that kind of money for ones that were straight and correct.
 

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It's not just Ebay.

The past couple of shows I've done, I haven't sold a single railroad even at give-away prices. About all I can sell at shows are keywinds and really cheap low-end stuff. I've had a really, really nice model 9 Bunn Special that I set out for two or three shows in a row. I put $250 on the card, and offered it verbally for $225 and even $215 quite a few times. One fellow offered me $200 for it, which I turned down. After thinking about it for a few minutes, I chased him down a couple of aisles away and told him he could have it for that-he'd already changed his mind and didn't take it. That same show, I had a 19 jewel B.W. Raymond out at a give-away $125, and the only offer I got on it all day was $80!
 

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IDK maybe you need to put higher prices up :p Make somebody feel* it's worth more, then discount it. Lots of weird things motivate people to buy or not buy, I can't say I understand those reasons though.
 
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