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Intro
Officine Panerai aka PAM watches have been an infatuation of mine for quite some time. This is an account of my personal quest to learn about, choose, search for and find my very first PAM... :)




History
Most reading this post are quite familiar with OP but for the sake of completeness, I'd like to skim over some of the historical highlights. Panerai built various nautical instruments for the [Royal] Italian Navy in the late 1800s and early 1900s and around 1936, the Navy commissioned OP to make a dive watch for their frogmen. Said frogmen would man an S.L.C. (Siluro a Lento Corsa - aka "PIG"), a slow-moving, torpedo-shaped underwater vehicle used to approach enemy ships undetected, plant explosives on their hulls and retreat. In order to assure their success, timing was critical. Panerai turned to Rolex for this and that is how the PAM came to be...
  • 1864 - Guido Panerai & Sons, Firenze, produce instruments for the Royal Italian Navy
  • 1926 - Rolex introduces their 47mm Oyster pocket watch (pillow-case form / future Radiomir format)
  • 1936 - 1939 - Rolex commissioned to make 2533s for OP (dot-dash dial, later followed by 3-6-9-12 "Radiomir" dials)
  • 1940 - 1942 - Rolex-built 3646 (3-6-9-12 - with and w/o labels aka Kampfschwimmer & California dials*)
  • 1938 - 1949 - Sandwich dial / crown-protection bridge / 200M resistance / first application of "Luminor"
  • 1952 - 6152 w/integrated lugs (fits Rolex mvmt only)
  • 1953 - the Luminor aka "1950" case is introduced
  • 1954 - 6154 3-6-9-12 Radiomir Panerai - last Rolex-made PAM!
  • 1955 - 1956 - 6152/1 3-6-9-12 Radiomir Panerai and w/SecsSubdial Marina Militare, w/bridge (now fits either Rolex or Angelus mvmts)
  • 1956 - 2/56 Egyptian Radiomir Panerai 3+TM-6-9+SecsSubdial-12 (60mm!)
  • 1972 - Giuseppe Panerai hands over OP to Panerai Engineer Dino Zei
  • 1983 - Mario Paci joins OP
  • 1993 - 1st commercial release by OP / start of "Pre-Vendôme" period (1993~1997)
  • 1993 - The Mare Nostrum chronograph, first prototyped in '43 is now released along with their Luminor Marina model
  • 1995 - Sylvester Stallone commissions own variations of the PAM, known as "SlyTech"
  • 1997 - "Pre-A": Vendôme (now Richemont) acquires OP but watches still made in Firenze (1998-2001 were made in Vendôme plants).
  • 2002 - OP Neuchâtel Manufacture opened
  • 2005 - P.2002 released - OP's first all in-house movement "inspired by" Angelus...
*The California dial, which consists of a mix of roman and arabic numerals, was a "sample" dial used by Rolex to show their customers how the dials might look, given one or the other format. OP was under deadline pressures and thus Rolex used some of these dials to fulfill OP's order... .

The above are most of the "vintage" milestones as well as a few of the post-vintage ones. In summary, OP turned to Rolex as one of the leading houses to build the first "PAM". Subsequently, OP went public and enjoyed an accelerated start thanks to Stallone. Like many small companies, a larger "Group" bought them and brought them into the Int'l mainstream as well as modernized the production process. Fortunately for us, the Group(s), initially Vendôme and subsequently, Richemont, saw the real attraction of the OP name - it's history and has (tried to) preserve the essence that is Officine Panerai... .

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Search for the right PAM
Like many, I was first attracted to PAM when "oversize" watches were still the minority and the unique Crown-bridge that characterized the typical PAM. But this initial attraction soon faded when I noted the price tag... . Several years later, my good friend Charles sent me a photo of his new 372 and my interest in OP was rekindled. To my amazement, the prices had skyrocketed beyond belief, but nonetheless, I decided to learn more about Panerai and it's origins. In doing so, I became more and more appreciative of Panerai's history and the fact that a PAM still held much of it's unique and individual characteristics today. That's when I decided I wanted a PAM. Then the hard part came... finding the right one! Charles got me started in the right direction with a few suggestions:
  • Simple is better
  • Aim for Special Editions or "firsts"
  • 44mm is good, 47mm even better
  • The aged-Tritium-patina look rocks.
But even using some of these points as a rough guideline, the list of possible candidates was still impressive. As it turns out, OP has been very busy in it's Vendôme-Richemont days, issuing roughly anywhere from 3~6 SEs annually. This along with their standard catalog which consists of no less than 24 in their "historical" line, a few dozen in their "contemporary" line and a half-dozen "specialties", like their Tourbillion. Each year, a few new models are introduced to the catalog and a few are retired. I'm not certain how many versions of PAMs have been made, but you can believe the number is indeed impressive (unless, of course, you're a Rolex historian... ;-)) Putting a price limit certainly narrowed the list down; For example, I looked up the PAMs that I liked, such as the 203 and 127... . Well, once I put a price tag to the face, roughly €90K and €25K respectively, I soon realized that price would play a critical role in narrowing down my list... :-(




The short-List
Here's my final list of contenders, based on my own following requirements:

  • Seconds Sub-dial; A question of personal taste, my PAM needs to have seconds and the corresponding accuracy certification (COSC or in-house)
  • Sandwich dial; although not the original "stuffed" dial, the sandwich has become the de facto PAM dial!
  • Exhibition case; again personal taste, I want to see, to enjoy the heart and soul of the watch - it's movement
  • Unique movement; Preferably in-house, or a unique third-party movement (Angelus SF 240 / JLC 8-day, etc)
  • Luminor case with crown protector, preferably a 1950 case, preferably with a domed crystal!
  • Contrary to Paneristi philosophy, complications are not a bad thing in my book ;-)



Given the above criteria *and* taking price range into consideration, my short-list was down to...

  • 345 - A Special Edition (SE) Ti Destro Monopulsante (Monopusher) Chronograph with the PR indicator on the movement's rear side and no date or GMT complications (a la Paneristi style)
  • 368 - An SE Ti Destro Luminor 1950 8-days with the PR indicator on the mvmt's rear side and no date or GMT complications (a la Paneristi style)
  • 275 - a Monopulsante Chronograph equipped w/their P.2004 mvmt using a "classic" column-wheel mechanism, 8-day reserve with PR indicator and 24hr GMT complication
  • 422 - a 47mm nod to vintage Panerai, secs sub-dial, in-house 3-days P.3000 with a power-reserve indicator on the mvmt's rear side, unique & elegant new case
  • 233 - OP's first Luminor to use their in-house P.2002 movement, 8-day reserve with PR indicator and 24hr GMT and date complications
  • 320 - An in-house P.9000 3-days automatic equipped 1950 Luminor with pr indicator on the mvmt's rear side and 12hr GMT and date complications
  • 111 - Luminor Marina, secs sub-dial equipped with a venerable Unitas/ETA 6497 manual mvmt
  • 177 - The Ti version of the 111


I would have been happy with any of the above, but price and availability notwithstanding, my short-list is also in order of preference. So with the list in hand, I started my search. Some of the models were available, but not in the condition and/or in my price range I wanted. The 422 is not even on the market yet, having made it's debut in this year's Baselworld. The 320, 111 and 177 were available in several local ADs but I kept going back to the 233, having labeled it as my Goldilocks of PAMs. I couldn't afford the AD's price for one, but I looked and I looked and I looked... until there it was, a 233 in NIB condition at almost the price of a 320!!




My PAM 233

  • PAM00233 Luminor 44mm 1950 8 day GMT
  • Year: 2011 "N", limited to 1000 units
  • Completed in Neuchâtel , Apr 24, 2012
  • Case: OP6660 - 44mm, 1950 style, brushed 316L stainless steel, Bezel, polished, crown-protector, brushed, sapphire-exhibition case-back
  • Dial: Black Sandwich w/green Super-LumiNova layer
  • Hands: stainless-borders, green Super-LumiNova
  • Crystal: 2.6mm anti-reflective-coated "domed" sapphire crystal
  • Movement: P.2002/1 in-house - hand-wound, three-barrels, 8-day reserve, zero-reset secs, 21 jewels, 247 components, KIF shock system
  • Functions: Hrs, mins, secs, 12-hr GMT hand, 24hr GMT indicator, numerical date, power reserve indicator
  • Other: Water Resistant to 100M (10ATM), rubber "OP" straps, calf leather "fluted" straps, brushed screw-in buckle, quick-release strap system, pear-wood case

The 233 debuted in 2005 and was one of a few PAMs to use an iteration of the new P.2002 in-house movement. The movement was given the designation of P.2002 in honor of OP's first own manufacture opened in Neuchâtel (CH) in 2002. The 233 uses all of the P.2002's functionality while other PAMs, such as the 368, use only a subset thereof. Most Paneristi would prefer to do without many of the P.2002's functions, such as the date, 24hr GMT and power reserve indicator. Most agree however, that the 44mm 233 is one of the more "adaptive" PAMs, wearable in all situations. The fact that I like complications and that I can only afford one PAM makes the 233 the perfect PAM for me!

The 233 has all my prerequisites and then some; I get a brushed Luminor 1950 case, sandwiched with polished bezel and (polished) exhibition case-back; brushed crown-protector with the classic "Reg. TM", a sapphire "domed" crystal, a sandwiched dial with brilliant green Super LumiNova, stainless-framed, Super LumiNova hands and last but certainly not least, an elegant and capable 8 days in-house movement! Like many PAMs, the 233 comes in an elegant (and rather large) pear-wood case, two straps, one screw-in buckle, a screwdriver (for said buckle) a quick-release* tool (strap removal) a user guide and personalized owner's book that includes the unit's specifications, serial numbers as well as the in-house accuracy certification. OP verifies the watch's accuracy in six positions. It is critical to note here that although PAMs are oversize watches, they are not necessarily exclusive to oversize wearers... . This is made readily clear by the fact that the supplied straps are 115/75 (!) Another interesting fact is that the 233's unique "fluted" calf strap is actually more or less a copy of OP's rubber strap - something that I really like. For those less enthused, please see my "straps" annex below b-)

*OP's quick-release system is a combination of push-lock and a specially-shaped strap bar. Pushing a button located on the back of the lug releases the bar. Extremely convenient, however do note that the bar has a thinner, weak section which allows for the push-pin to interlock with the bar.; many would prefer to stick to screw-in bars.




Complications

  • Eight-Day Reserve; while many might not consider a watch's power reserve as a complication, you have to appreciate a manually-wound watch that will last eight days. OP chose this amount in homage to the venerable Angelus SF 240 (and perhaps even the JLC 1877) movements.
  • Seconds sub-dial; I've always considered a three-hand watch as the norm and a PAM is no exception. Additionally, all PAMs with secs complication are certified chronometers. When you are dealing with watches in this price range, I believe chronometer certification is a must... .
  • The power reserve complication is simple; either you like it or you don't. My preference is to have it on the back of the movement (as in the 345 and 368 for example) but I'd just assume have it than not.
  • The date is a big no-no for Paneristis. I don't need a date on a PAM, but I do admit the date is a useful complication and certainly don't mind having it. Quick: what date is it today? I thought so... ;-) Additionally, the P.2002 uses a "gradual-change" date mechanism which essentially allows you to set the date by moving the hour-hand only - both forwards and backwards!
  • GMT: another Paneristi no-no, but I actually use GMT and therefor welcome it. There are two types of GMT complications offered by OP; the first is the simpler 12hr "hand" - a simple solution that relies on one additional hand to denote the hour (1-12), but without 24hr indicator. This is what you get on the 320, for example. Furthermore, you can hide the GMT hand underneath the hour-hand. This is a very cool feature that is sure to please even a hardcore Paneristi, a less-cluttered dial :) The 233 however uses the 24hr version. The original 233s (2005~2008) used a simple circle which was green or black, corresponding to day or night. The latter 233s, such as my 2011 "N" unit, use an additional hand on the seconds sub-dial that either points to an AM/PM label. Alas, this version adds unnecessary "traffic" to the dial. <|
  • Zero-Reset; while not a complication, per say, this is a value-added feature in that it allows you to easily set the time to the second.




Conclusion
The PAM is a unique watch with an exciting history that occupies an own niche; I have an elegant 38mm "dinner" watch, a robust sports watch and the PAM completes my horological trilogy, a bold, yet equally elegant watch. The 233 is my Goldilocks of PAMs, offering a nice mix of history with it's 1950 Luminor case and domed crystal as well as contemporary function with it's modern movement with ample complications. Is the 233 right for you...? Only you can answer that and only after you've gone on your own PAM quest. Truth be told, the search for the perfect PAM is half the fun of owning one! Perhaps the fact that there are so many PAMs makes the search all the more fun :-!












Annex - Straps!
Just when you thought your PAM couldn't look any better, you can dress it up with a myriad of aftermarket straps - fondly known as shoes! The Panerai watch is one that easily allows you to tweak the look simply with a change of straps! From classic alligator to a smooth calf to what's known as "ammo" straps (made from Swiss and French leather ammo satchels) to even baseball-glove leathers and everything in between! Straps come in all assorted colors, finishes, thicknesses, straight or tapered, plain or boxed stitching, small or larger keepers, tapered or flat tails and so on.

I've already started a strap collection with my recent acquisition - a Toshi Strap from Rich in the UK. This particular one is his Storm Grey calf and natural stitching, 4.5mm thick with one single large keeper. Oh yes, it also comes with a Pre-V polished screw-in buckle... . Did I not mention buckles? You can customize that aspect of your PAM too... :-d















EDIT 29th Aug '12 - Another Toshi strap, this time in cocoa. I also asked him to only punch four holes... ;-)











Annex 2 - Quick Release
As shortly discussed in the body of my post, the 233 is one of many newer PAMs to make use of OP's "quick-release" solution. Here are a few macros so that you can see how it works and why some may prefer the old-fashioned screw-bars which have a consistant diameter... .








Annex 3 - Super-duper LumiNova...?
One of the things I've read about PAMs is their amazing lume, readable into the wee hours of the night... . I can now confirm this; the PAMs are readily legible in the dark! However... there is no super-duper-Lume involved - it is the same lume that all the respectable Swiss Manufactures use; RC Tritec's Super LumiNova. What makes the PAMs [imo] more readable than most is the clean dial and the generous application of lume thanks to the lower level of the sandwich-dial composition. Keep in mind though that the "stuffed" dials may be a notch better in this department, simply because the depth of the sandwich dials most likely causes some minor occlusion, particularly at a shallow POV.

Here is a comparison of three watches known to use RC Tritec's Super LumiNova. Please note that the human eye is more sensitive to green than any other color in the spectrum. The Mühle therefore appears to be dimmer but it will glow just as long as it's green counterparts.

30s exposures @f/8

Please note that all three are visible down to the 30min mark;
If you cannot see them, your monitor may need adjustment.
 

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Nice to read introduction of your GoldiLocks ;) - looks like a big love.

Congrats on this beauty! I really love the big variety of PAMs out there - for outsiders not to really to see at first sight, but the more you get into the brand the more you learn about the differences and can pick the right one for you.
 
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Nice job, very well thought out post.
One thing....
You mention under the section "complications"..that chronometer certification comes with every Panerai that has a seconds function and is a must for any watch in this price range, however, your 233 is not certified. In fact none of the Panerai in house movements are COSC....the only ones that are, would be the cheap old ETA movements :)
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Nice to read introduction of your GoldiLocks ... the more you get into the brand the more you learn about the differences and can pick the right one for you.
Danke sehr! Yes, we are very much in agreement there - chances are that there is a specific PAM suited to everyone's tastes but they will have to do their homework first ;-)

Nice job ... your 233 is not certified. In fact none of the Panerai in house movements are COSC....the only ones that are, would be the cheap old ETA movements...
Thank you sir :)
You are quite correct. I have loosely used the term chronometer to refer to any "verified" watch, not differentiating between in-house and C.O.S.C. verification. :-( I take it that the Official Swiss Chronometer Testing Institute would be just as annoyed with me as Apple is with Samsung... :-d Honestly, my bad. Thanks for catching that - we don't want future PAM 233 owners wasting time looking for a C.O.S.C. certificate... ;-)

...my PAM needs to have seconds and the corresponding accuracy certification (COSC or in-house) ...a user guide and personalized owner's book that includes the unit's specifications, serial numbers as well as the in-house accuracy certification. OP verifies the watch's accuracy in six positions ... all PAMs with secs complication are certified chronometers. When you are dealing with watches in this price range, I believe chronometer certification is a must... .
 

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FWIW, Panerai has an own name for their accuarcy test: CTMP (Contrôle Technique des Montres Panerai) :-!

PANERAI TESTS FOR WATCHES WITH IN-HOUSE MOVEMENTS
In the course of their construction at the Panerai Manufacture, the in-house calibres – and the watches as a whole – are certified after undergoing several demanding final tests of its accuracy, regularity of operation, ageing and water-resistance.

RATE CONTROLS AND CTMP TEST (CONTRÔLE TECHNIQUE DES MONTRES PANERAI)
Test carried out to check the regularity of operation of the movement combining the measurement of the average rate at a given moment and its stability in operation over time and in different positions of the watch.

CHRONOFIABLE® TEST (NIHS 93-20 STANDARD), ACCELERATION TEST (NIHS 91-10 AND NIHS 91-30 STANDARDS)
These consist of checks carried out over 21 consecutive days, during which the movement is subjected to various dynamic stress cycles, to assess the resistance of all the components, the maintenance of a regular rate and of the correct functioning for the period indicated. The test cycle is equivalent to the use of the watch for about 6 months on the wearer’s wrist. Thermic and climatic tests are also carried out over 14 days in total (included in the above-mentioned 21 days), exposing the watch between 17°C and 57°C with 75% humidity.

AGEING TEST OF THE HAND-SETTING MECHANISM AND WINDING STEM
This test is performed by carrying out a series of 1,000 cycles on the winding stem and the hand-setting mechanism, followed by a resistance test of the winding stem subjected to a force of 25N.

AGEING TEST OF THE WINDING MECHANISM
This test simulates the use of the watch for about 5 years.

ANTIMAGNETIC WATCH (ISO 764 STANDARD)
In the presence of magnetic fields of average intensity (4,800 A/m) the watch must continue to run regularly.

TESTS CARRIED OUT ON THE CASE
The quality of every single component of the case is checked. Then, after the case has been assembled, it undergoes its first test for water-resistance, to guarantee the protection it provides against the infiltration of dust and humidity. When the watch (case, movement and dial) has been assembled, it is tested again using various instruments to ensure the perfect water-resistance of your watch. Moreover, the case undergoes: the thermal shock test to verify the resistance of the parts to sudden temperature variations; the damp heat test to determine the reliability of the watch under dampness and heat conditions; the salt spray test to check the corrosion resistance, and the synthetic sweat test to verify possible alterations by artificially simulating the conditions of use.

WATER-RESISTANCE TEST (ISO 22810 STANDARD)
The case of the watch is subjected to a long series of tests, carried out at various temperatures and according to procedures which ensure its complete water-resistance. To simulate the effects which could occur in the event of the watch being exposed to a shower or immersed in water for a long time, the case is initially tested by a vacuum apparatus, then it is placed in a little bath with a few centimetres of water for a set period of time. The water-resistance test is carried out by a special instrument which subjects the watch to a pressure significantly greater than the guaranteed value of water-resistance. Finally, the strict Panerai standards provide for a “water drop” test, which is performed by heating the case and placing a drop of cold water on the surface of the crystal protecting the dial. In this way, the possibility that there might be any moisture inside the case itself is eliminated.

THE WINDING CROWN. SHOCK RESISTANCE TEST
The test carried out on the winding crown consists of subjecting the crown itself to the shock of falling from a height of 50 cm, with the watch inclined at an angle of 45°, thus unequivocally exposing this component to shocks. The crown must maintain its water-resistance in spite of the repeated shocks it undergoes.

RESISTANCE TEST OF THE DEVICE PROTECTING THE WINDING CROWN
This test is performed by carrying out a series of 5,000 opening and closing cycles of the lever of the device protecting the winding crown.

AGEING TEST OF THE CHRONO PUSH-PIECE
This test is performed by carrying out a series of 3,000 cycles on the push-piece for the chronograph function, which correspond to 1 year of intensive use.

WEAR RESISTANCE TEST
This test is carried out by a series of cycles in which the crown is rotated in both directions (3,000 cycles) with a perpendicular force of 5N.

Information on Panerai’s internal quality certification is included in the
Certificates Booklet supplied with the watches with in-house movements.
The Certificates Booklet includes:
the watch ID
the international guarantee certificate
the international guarantee terms
the limited warranty terms
the international repair guarantee terms
the rate controls and CTMP test (Contrôle technique des montres Panerai)
the details of the tests carried out on the other components of the watch
 

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Good info on the in house process.
I do know that in the horological world, the term "certified chronometer" is strictly reserved for watches which have COSC.
I find it interesting that Panerai would submit the ETA movements but not their own??
 

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Thx, Kiwidj :)

...I find it interesting that Panerai would submit the ETA movements but not their own??
Agreed. At first I thought it logical until one considers the fact that Rolex sends out their own to C.O.S.C. ... Perhaps it's a question of cost (maybe Rolex has a good "volume" deal with COSC ;-) )
 

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Thx, Kiwidj :)

Agreed. At first I thought it logical until one considers the fact that Rolex sends out their own to C.O.S.C. ... Perhaps it's a question of cost (maybe Rolex has a good "volume" deal with COSC ;-) )
Unlikely that it is cost, considering they are sending themmovements from their less expensive pieces....My guess is that they are not comfortable with their house movements passing COSC standards
 

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Great post but you need to elaborate more on the Stone Connection and how it all happened as its an important part of their history.
 

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...you need to elaborate more on the Stone Connection...
Glad you liked it!
Although the primary goal of my post was the 233, I would be more than happy to discuss the history further in this thread :) If you have any input on Sly's contribution and even how he "stumbled upon" OP I'd really love to know more :)
 

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...My guess is that they are not comfortable with their house movements passing COSC standards
You could be quite right. While I don't pretend to understand all the testing that takes place, I do understand accuracy measurements in any given position and my 233's figures range wildly:

-5 < x < 7: 1.2s (fully-wound)
hrs hh hb vg vb vh vd
000 +8.6 +6.5 -9.9 +1.3 -3.2 +3.7
168 +6.1 +1.9 -1.0 -8.1 -1.6 -1.9
CTMP <=4: 3.3 (??? I haven't figured out how this value is calculated...)

My guess is that Rolex C.O.S.C.ed watchs have much closer figures as -9.9 etc. Despite my 233's questionable "range", I can at least select the appropriate placement every night to keep my 233 on track and although I haven't changed the time in the past 10 days, it is currently +5... so I'll just go with crown-up tonight ;-)

...really like what you did here.
Thx Greg, glad you like it - I will admit it took a bit of time to put it all together, but as a fellow kick-ass PAM owner, you can easily understand where my passion & drive is coming from :)
 

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I think you should have added to this thread links to all the 20 or so threads you started, that drove us all crazy, addressing the Panerai dials.
What colour are the hands, what colour is the date, what colour is the writing, is the writing a different colour to the date or is the date the same colour but just a thicker font?
You remember those. LOL :-d

only joking travelller.

Great OCD post son, and I'm glad you finally made a decision as to which Pam to buy! :-!
Which Canon camera/lens are you using for your pics travelller? They're fantastic quality!

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...this was very helpful...
Glad to hear it and good luck with your PAM-Quest :-!

I think you should have added to this thread links to all the 20 or so threads you started... Great OCD post son ... Which Canon camera/lens are you using...
Thx - glad you can appreciate my OCD ;-) / Lol, here you go, all twenty:

https://www.watchuseek.com/f75/vintage-colored-date-all-newer-contemporary-pams-700491.html
https://www.watchuseek.com/f75/320-...k-not-tobacco-brown-so-what-color-709601.html
https://www.watchuseek.com/f75/arc-scratch-es-brand-new-pam-over-top-ocd-725902.html

I use a Canon 50D / EF-S 60 combo |>
 

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Wow! I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one to have such high standards and requirements when it came down to picking my first Panerai. Like you, I also selected the Pam 233 for my first. You did a great job.
 

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...I wasn't the only one to have such high standards and requirements when it came down to picking my first Panerai...
Thx, fellow 233er ;-) I hope you still have it, or did you flip it on your way to a more purist vintage PAM (127 and so forth)?

I honestly feel that the time spent to learn about OP, past and present, greatly contributes to the pleasure and satisfaction of owning one, particularly the first one. I don't mind helping out people who arbitrarily select a few PAMs and request help in choosing "the best one", but I do feel that they are losing out a bit on the PAM experience...

Thanks again to everyone for the positive feedback |>
 
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