[dirkdeus]

Hi folks.

I' m from germany, my name is Dirk.

I've got this watch cheep from a friend. On the dial is a russian sign. Its LIP.
My friend told me that this watch is from 1918. Does anybody hier know something about this or those watches?!

I am very pleased for any answer to LIP and my personal favorite new old watch.

Greetings from Germany.
Dirk

 

[Militarywatchdude]

hmm... I've never seen one of these before.. very interesting. Wait for help from an elder.

 

[Janne]

Pocketwatch with the lugs added? Did your friend buy it recently? From Ukraina?

 

[Chascomm]

Hi folks.

I' m from germany, my name is Dirk.

I've got this watch cheep from a friend. On the dial is a russian sign. Its LIP.
My friend told me that this watch is from 1918. Does anybody hier know something about this or those watches?!

I am very pleased for any answer to LIP and my personal favorite new old watch.

Greetings from Germany.
Dirk

We need a Lip expert here, and I'm not it. However, my understanding is that the Lip R36 was developed in the inter-war period and therefore this watch could not be from the time of the Revolution. However if it was later, then it could not have a foreign brand signed in Cyrillic. It is worth bearing in mind that the first 36mm Soviet pocket watch movements had a bridge structure very similar to this (apparently derived from the Lip design), so it is more likely that you've got a 1950s Iskra or something similar that has a modified dial and a wristwatch conversion to the case.

 

[Mark Gordon]

We need a Lip expert here, and I'm not it. However, my understanding is that the Lip R36 was developed in the inter-war period and therefore this watch could not be from the time of the Revolution. However if it was later, then it could not have a foreign brand signed in Cyrillic. It is worth bearing in mind that the first 36mm Soviet pocket watch movements had a bridge structure very similar to this (apparently derived from the Lip design), so it is more likely that you've got a 1950s Iskra or something similar that has a modified dial and a wristwatch conversion to the case.

This is not a Russian-made movement. Note the Latin characters on the balance adjustment. In my experience, I have never seen a Russian caliber remotely like this. For that matter, I have never seen a Soviet-era Russian dial like this, either. Not even on any of the Gostrest Tochmekh watches locally cased from imported ebauches in the late 1920s.
-- Mark

 

[Chascomm]

This is not a Russian-made movement. Note the Latin characters on the balance adjustment. In my experience, I have never seen a Russian caliber remotely like this.

...apart from this ZIM ChK-6 (item 0066 in your collection) :-d gotcha!

Possibly ZIM inherited a stock of parts with the Lip tooling, but it's a long shot given the other details of this watch.

I agree with you that the closest this watch ever got to Russia was somewhere around Kiev :roll:

 

[Mark Gordon]

...apart from this ZIM ChK-6 (item 0066 in your collection) :-d gotcha!

Okay, so my dementia is getting worse :-(

I agree the 2 movements look substantially the same, but they are not exactly the same. The long central bridge has smooth curves on dirkdeus's watch, whereas the same bridge on the Soviet YK-6 has both a round protrusion on the left and a sharp angular bend on the right.

Other differences include the use of latin characters on the balance adjustment and the soft bevel-edge finishing on the brass bridges. This is not the Soviet style.

The YK-6, which replaced the Dueber-Hampden Type-1 caliber (at least in most applications), did, of course, result from a collaboration with LIP. So similarities are not surprising.

So I stand by my claim that I have never seen a SOVIET movement like this ;-)

But seriously, the metal and finishing point to an early 20th century non-Russian origin for this movement.

-- Mark

 

[dirkdeus]

Hi Friends.

Thank you for your posts and tips!

I ve got it!

loock here: http://www.casablancawatch.com/watches/under500view.asp?wid=172

This is it! Its made in 1941 ! My looks a little older (movement).

I cant find much information to this movement. Does anybody here?

And why is my watch signed with russian LIP on the dial?! :think:

I am very glad for your tips! thanks!

Dirk from Germany.

 

[dirkdeus]

The link in my post describe: It was made in 1941.

In 1936 Mr.Fred Lip singed a contract with the Udssr to buld up a watch production line with mashines, etc.

On ebay i found a watch named: Zim-LIP. on the dial printed: ZIM. The movement is a LIP.

So i can gues the watch is on the early times when LIP moves to build up the production with udssr. menas 1936.

hmmmm......others here think the same?!

thx

DIrk

 

[dedatos]

I suggest to search for LIP history. i do not remember-though i do have the article somewhere in my chaos- when LIP has been first established. But given the fact that LIP was a somehow cooperative and leftist experiment in France, relations with the soviet Revolution have been tight out from the beginning I guess. My first guessing is that yr watch is several yrs earlier than the ZIM-LIP one . It was a French-made LIP done for and shipped ready to the new Soviet Russia. If this LIP mechanism design dates back from the 20ies do not exclude the possibility that you have in yr hands one of the earliest post - revolution watches shipped to USSR somewhere in between 1920-30. This shall give reason to Mark who is reflecting that such mechanism type reminds him of very early watches....
Dedatos

 

[dirkdeus]

Hi dedatos.

So please help me to make yr post to a short statement:

You guess this watch was made between 1920 and 1930?!
Movement made in france by lip and shipped to udssr?
Greez
Dirk

I suggest to search for LIP history. i do not remember-though i do have the article somewhere in my chaos- when LIP has been first established. But given the fact that LIP was a somehow cooperative and leftist experiment in France, relations with the soviet Revolution have been tight out from the beginning I guess. My first guessing is that yr watch is several yrs earlier than the ZIM-LIP one . It was a French-made LIP done for and shipped ready to the new Soviet Russia. If this LIP mechanism design dates back from the 20ies do not exclude the possibility that you have in yr hands one of the earliest post - revolution watches shipped to USSR somewhere in between 1920-30. This shall give reason to Mark who is reflecting that such mechanism type reminds him of very early watches....
Dedatos

 

[dedatos]

I say it is worth for y as the interested party, to enter LIP search and find its history in order to find yr watch! And IMO this watch was shipped or prepared to be shipped to USSR at very early stages ie; before their official coop in 1936. So my guessing for yr watch is for a watch of the 20ies. But this is just reasoning-argumentation, not facts! For facts-finding try LIP in google or elsewhere. (or ask some of our french senior fellows)
dedatos