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I have an Omega ladies watch and I am trying to determine if it is real or a fake. The face of the watch indicates it is an Omega Costelletion 21 prix. It has 26 stones (diamonds?) around the face of the watch. The back of the watch is stamped with the word Omega and the omega symbol within a triangle. It also indicates it is 18k 0.750 and that it is Swiss made.

Can any one assist with this inquiry?
 

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Elisa said:
Hi,

I have an Omega ladies watch and I am trying to determine if it is real or a fake. The face of the watch indicates it is an Omega Costelletion 21 prix. It has 26 stones (diamonds?) around the face of the watch. The back of the watch is stamped with the word Omega and the omega symbol within a triangle. It also indicates it is 18k 0.750 and that it is Swiss made.

Can any one assist with this inquiry?
Photos would be very helpful: dial, caseback-outer, caseback-inner, and movement.
 

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Hi Elisa,

not worth the effort to make photos. It is a fake, absolutely free of any value.

Omega never has the number of jewels mentioned on the dial, and the Omega
signature and gold hallmark are always inside the back.

Be sure that the gold hallmark on the back is not the only true detail of the
watch, and that it is not made of gold. Even the gold plating is very thin.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Elisa said:
Here are some photos. I'm having trouble opening the back panel, so I can't get any photos of that. This is as clear as I can get it.

Elisa
Ronald is a true expert and I would defer to his judgment.
 

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hello elisa
as was stated earlier, roland is your man, i too have seen one of these watches and they are very definately fake, the one i saw had a very lowly movement, although it was fully jewelled.

sorry, john.
 

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Roland is absolutely, absolutely correct.

The first thing that should make you doubt the watch's heritage is the misspelled "Constellation".

Looks like a fairly vintage fake, probably from the 1970s, to me. Modern fakes are much, much better.

As Roland said: fake and worthless.

JohnF
 

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Elisa said:
Here are some photos. I'm having trouble opening the back panel, so I can't get any photos of that. This is as clear as I can get it.

Elisa
There are several 1970s Soviet watches that could be used to create such a watch.
 

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Hi Roland,

I have a similar question regarding a Omega De Ville Vintage watch that I traded. Attached are three pics that show details of the watch.
I would be very happy if some of you experts could give me their opinion ...
Thanks
Thilo
Roland Ranfft said:
Hi Elisa,

not worth the effort to make photos. It is a fake, absolutely free of any value.

Omega never has the number of jewels mentioned on the dial, and the Omega
signature and gold hallmark are always inside the back.

Be sure that the gold hallmark on the back is not the only true detail of the
watch, and that it is not made of gold. Even the gold plating is very thin.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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I'm not nearly enough of an expert on Omega watches to give you a definitive answer.

But it doesn't look good.

The calibre, the 711, is a legitimate Omega calibre and dates from the 1960s, probably the latter half.

The face of the watch, though, raises some questions.

First of all, the deVille watches I can see in Shugart's Completet Price Guide To Watches #25 don't have the deVille underneath the Omega, but rather down where your watch has "automatic". The word "automatic" is also, in the watches that Shugart covers, always under the Omega label at the 12 and are all caps ("AUTOMATIC") rather than all lower case. This seems to be a design principle on Omega watches from that time period in general: at the 12 you have Omega+calibre type (automatic, chronometre), at the 6 you have the type of watch (Constellation, Seamaster, etc.).

Like I said, I am not an expert on Omegas and can't guarantee any of this.

What also bothers me is that there is no lume on the baton hands. Most of the Constellations in Shugart have dauphien hands, i.e. they are broad at the center and pointed at the end.

Now, I could be completely wrong on all of these counts and I'll put a pointer to your query on the Omega forum, where the true experts can help you more than I can... :)

JohnF
 

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Looks okay to me

Good to see you over in Omegaland, John. I know you requested an expert, but I'll just have to do ;-)
Thilo Jakob said:
Hi Roland,

I have a similar question regarding a Omega De Ville Vintage watch that I traded. Attached are three pics that show details of the watch.
I would be very happy if some of you experts could give me their opinion ...
Thanks
Thilo
Hi Thilo. It looks like you have a mid to late-60s DeVille, specifically, part of the "Slim" or "Superflat" series. The case reference and movement match correctly, and the the dial markers and slim, unluminous hands look correct. I believe the crown is a replacement, as similar models I've seen have smaller crowns (see below).

The real question comes down to the dial and whether it has been refinished. I'm inclined to say that it is indeed original. Thanks to your nice, large photos, we can see the fine detail in the lettering, including the serifs in "DeVille." If it has been refinished, it was done exceptionally well and, very likely, true to the design. John makes a good point about the general layout of Omega dials from this period, but they weren't quite as consistent as we may have liked.



Although, it's not the exact model, we can see the similar details in the ref.165.008 on this page from a '67 catalogue hosted on Steve's excellent old-omegas.com.

The model name is at the top of the dial, with small case "automatic" on the bottom. The difference between these two watches was minimal; the main difference would have been the snap-back case of the DeVille (the Seamaster would have been a screw-back for increased water-resistance).

It appears to be a nice example in excellent condition.

Enjoy it and wear it well.

eric
 

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Eric, thanks much!

Thilo, I was wrong: Eric has definitely found yours and you've got a great watch there! Happy that I'm wrong, too!

Best regards,

JohnF
 

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Hi Eric,

you certainly made my day!
Especially since I have found this beauty on a local flea market today and was able to swap it against a brand new but worth less Dugena "retro"
- what a deal !!!!
I will watch the De Ville like the apple of my eye.

Best regards
Thilo

Hi Thilo. It looks like you have a mid to late-60s DeVille, specifically, part of the "Slim" or "Superflat" series. The case reference and movement match correctly, and the the dial markers and slim, unluminous hands look correct. I believe the crown is a replacement, as similar models I've seen have smaller crowns (see below).

The real question comes down to the dial and whether it has been refinished. I'm inclined to say that it is indeed original. Thanks to your nice, large photos, we can see the fine detail in the lettering, including the serifs in "DeVille." If it has been refinished, it was done exceptionally well and, very likely, true to the design. John makes a good point about the general layout of Omega dials from this period, but they weren't quite as consistent as we may have liked.



Although, it's not the exact model, we can see the similar details in the ref.165.008 on this page from a '67 catalogue hosted on Steve's excellent old-omegas.com.

The model name is at the top of the dial, with small case "automatic" on the bottom. The difference between these two watches was minimal; the main difference would have been the snap-back case of the DeVille (the Seamaster would have been a screw-back for increased water-resistance).

It appears to be a nice example in excellent condition.

Enjoy it and wear it well.

eric[/quote]
 

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Re: Looks okay to me

Hi John,

Thanks for your help - Erics message certainly made my day!
Especially since I have found this beauty on a local flea market today and was able to swap it against a brand new but worth less Dugena "retro"
- what a deal !!!!
I will watch the De Ville like the apple of my eye.

Best regards
Thilo
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Eric, thanks much!

Thilo, I was wrong: Eric has definitely found yours and you've got a great watch there! Happy that I'm wrong, too!

Best regards,

JohnF
 

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Glad I could help.

Thilo Jakob said:
Hi Eric,

you certainly made my day!
Especially since I have found this beauty on a local flea market today and was able to swap it against a brand new but worth less Dugena "retro"
- what a deal !!!!
I will watch the De Ville like the apple of my eye.

Best regards
Thilo
I'm glad I could help and I'm very happy the news made your day, Thilo.

Enjoy that DeVille!

eric
 

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I was searching around the net for somewhere to help me identify a ladies omega watch that my parents had laying around in a draw. The winder had broken off of it. I wanted to find out if it was genuine or fake, to see if it was worth getting repaired. After many hours searching the net not coming up with any helpfull information I figured i would join a decent watch forum and hope to get some advise before i took it to a specialist, but after finding this thread here i suppose i have found my dissapointing answer. Elisa the watch I have in question is basically the same as yours, i have included photos. it may or may not be of interest to you elisa but I have managed to get the back off mine. You can see there is NO markings what so ever on the mechanism, the whole of the face came out in one go. It seems like a lot of trouble was put into making this fake though and i would appreciate from your goodselves rolland and tom for whatever expertise you shared with elisa reference this watch.

*Edit - sorry for bumping up a 3year old thread, i thought it better than starting a new thread*
 

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I agree with your assessment, it looks like a lot of trouble was taken to come up with this fake. Even if the watch were a real Omega, almost all of it's value would derive from the value of the case and band. They claim to be 18kt white gold. A jeweler can easily test that statement.

I'd test it before throwing it out, just to make sure. You have some small chance of being pleasantly surprised!
 

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Yeah, I guess I'll take it to my local jeweler at some point but there is no hurry.
Don't bother taking the watch to a jeweler (unless you want to give him a laugh). The watch is a complete fake and has no value, i.e., there is no gold content other than a very thin plating (~1-2 microns) and the "diamonds" are glass. As you have discovered the movement is not made by Omega and is, in fact, a very cheap one-jewel pin lever movement.

As has been said before, Omega watches are not marked with jewel content on the dial (implied by 21 PRIX - this would never appear on a ladies Constellation). They also do not have the Omega "triangle" marking on the outside of the back; this would be on the inside of the back. This is an old fake which was probably made sometime back in the 70s. As you say it appears to be quite similar to the original fake watch in this thread posted by Elisa and may have the same origin (it's the same watch with "21 RUBIS" replaced with "COSTELLETION" on the dial and different hands). The poor quality of the fake jumps right out with this gross mis-spelling of "CONSTELLATION".

It's actually quite amazing that, in your search, you were able to find this three year old thread about basically the same watch that you have. That's the power of the internet and search engines in particular! :-!
 
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