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Guys,
its been a while since I last posted and my collection has taken a big turn in the last two years (hopefully for the best!). I have bought a JLC MCDC, Rolex Daytona SS white and an AP ROO NAVY. Love them ALL!

I am now ready for a PP and was wondering if the owners of a 5712 or 5164 could give me some feedback on each! I have heard that the Aquanaut is the little brother of the Nautilus for the 5711 vs 5167 comparison and IMO the 5711 wins that battle. With that said I think the 5164 gives a good run for its money to the 5712!

You can see my collection in my signature and hopefully be able to give me some guidance.

lastly can you compare your winner to a Grand Lange 1?

thanks all for the feedback!

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Grand lange 1 is much more expensive no?


But my answer to aquanut vs nautilus in any variation is the same: nautilus hands down every time.

I don't get the point of a rubber strap on a watch like this.
It's not as if you're going to dive with it.
It's isn't a tool watch.
What possible purpose does it serve?
 

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Grand lange 1 is much more expensive no?
There are variations of the Grand Lange but you can get a rise gold or white gold for around $35k which is what the 5712 and 5164 go for. The 5164 is a lot more expensive than the 5167 (it's non dual time little brother)

I hear Mr. Stern travels with a 5164 all the time!
 

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5712 for sure!

5164 is a dual time watch, unless you need this function the nautilus is my preference.

Thanks! I love the 5712! Have you seen them both in person? I had made up my mind on the 5712 and then I saw a 5164 in person and it is stunning. These are very very rare to see on the shelf at any AD.
 

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Thanks! I love the 5712! Have you seen them both in person? I had made up my mind on the 5712 and then I saw a 5164 in person and it is stunning. These are very very rare to see on the shelf at any AD.
I dislike the "Local" & "Home" inscription on the dial of the 5164, plus the pushers on the left side of the case look gimmicky to my taste, if you're looking for a GMT watch in that price range then i'd suggest you take a look at the A.Lange saxonia dual time. Between the two you've proposed i'd pick the one pictured below without a second thought...























...(let me know if you need more incentive pictures).
 

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Patek 5711 is sublime and about as good as it gets for an every-day, iconic, luxury sport watch. I find the uneven dial of the 5712 not nearly as appealing as the "original" Genta-designed 5711. The 5711 is just that good. Now if you truly wanted an "extension" or complication of the original, I might suggest the 5726 (annual Calendar, invented of course by Patek) or the 5980 (Chronograph) - both in my opinion are more balanced and pay better respect to the original Nautilus design.
 

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Patek 5711 is sublime and about as good as it gets for an every-day, iconic, luxury sport watch. I find the uneven dial of the 5712 not nearly as appealing as the "original" Genta-designed 5711. The 5711 is just that good. Now if you truly wanted an "extension" or complication of the original, I might suggest the 5726 (annual Calendar, invented of course by Patek) or the 5980 (Chronograph) - both in my opinion are more balanced and pay better respect to the original Nautilus design.
Agreed, the basic Nautilus 5711 with the iridescent blue dial is very attractive, and either that or the Nautilus Annual Calendar 5726 are the ones to get.
 

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Andale! Good choices. I was going to post pics of my 5712, but after the 1 or 2 pics that amine posted:-d. I think mine would be redundant. Anyway as far as the dilemma between the 5711 and the 5712, I would say that after owing a 5712 I would never ever go back to even consider adding/swapping for a 5711. To me is not even a contest but to each it's own. When I bought mine, I did consider 5711 but in my fickle mind at that point I thought 26 k for steel and no complications! So to me in this price range for a sport watch it makes more sense the 5712. Is more versatile than the 5164. Then you have to ask yourself what is the used intended for this watch? because if you want it for travel and no suit and tie involved then the 5164 makes a lot of sense.

As far as the Lange 1, is a beautiful watch but totally different to your sport watches choices, again depends on the use intended. This one will go great with a suit, definitely not water friendly.

Good Luck:-!
 

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Amine, what a great collection of watches you have. I have recently been working on upgrading my collection and hopefully to get to that level. My next 3 watches without a doubt are going to be a Patek, a Lange, and an FP Journe.

with that said right now it's time for the Patek. I am in love with that 5712-1A. I did see a 5726A (no bracelet) yesterday and it is stunning. I believe they don't make this watch anymore, what are your thoughts on the 5726A vs the 5712-1A?


thanks a lot!
 

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Agree this is a big plus for me on the 5712!
 

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Patek 5711 is sublime and about as good as it gets for an every-day, iconic, luxury sport watch. I find the uneven dial of the 5712 not nearly as appealing as the "original" Genta-designed 5711. The 5711 is just that good. Now if you truly wanted an "extension" or complication of the original, I might suggest the 5726 (annual Calendar, invented of course by Patek) or the 5980 (Chronograph) - both in my opinion are more balanced and pay better respect to the original Nautilus design.


I agree on the 5726, but I am still thinking that the 5711 with no complications is a little behind both the 12 and the 26. I found a 5726A and it looks great, have you seen this one? Thoughts?
 

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Andale! Good choices. I was going to post pics of my 5712, but after the 1 or 2 pics that amine posted:-d. I think mine would be redundant. Anyway as far as the dilemma between the 5711 and the 5712, I would say that after owing a 5712 I would never ever go back to even consider adding/swapping for a 5711. To me is not even a contest but to each it's own. When I bought mine, I did consider 5711 but in my fickle mind at that point I thought 26 k for steel and no complications! So to me in this price range for a sport watch it makes more sense the 5712. Is more versatile than the 5164. Then you have to ask yourself what is the used intended for this watch? because if you want it for travel and no suit and tie involved then the 5164 makes a lot of sense.

As far as the Lange 1, is a beautiful watch but totally different to your sport watches choices, again depends on the use intended. This one will go great with a suit, definitely not water friendly.

Good Luck:-!
I usually do no wear a lot of suits and for that I would rather have a really formal watch (ie Grand Lange 1), instead of picking between the 5712 and the 5164. For an everyday watch would you go with the 5712 or the 5164?

Also what do you think about the 5726A (not the 1A)?

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Amine, what a great collection of watches you have. I have recently been working on upgrading my collection and hopefully to get to that level. My next 3 watches without a doubt are going to be a Patek, a Lange, and an FP Journe.

with that said right now it's time for the Patek. I am in love with that 5712-1A. I did see a 5726A (no bracelet) yesterday and it is stunning. I believe they don't make this watch anymore, what are your thoughts on the 5726A vs the 5712-1A?


thanks a lot!
Many thanks for your kind words!

The 5726 is too thick for a Nautilus IMO due to the added complication (AC) and as far as i'm concerned an Annual Calendar complication made by Patek should be more classic in the veins of 5146, 5205, 5035, 5396...etc. The design of the Nautilus PP screams sport chic so i would stick to the original 5711 or 5712, personally i wouldn't pay that much money for the 5711 knowing it's a steel watch with no complications, i'd add some $$ and get its bigger brother. The 5980 pushers and case diameter doesn't appeal to me at all though.
Also, if i may comment on your collection...you've got few interesting pieces there and a few others that i'd try to sell and replace with better ones if i was in your position:

2008: Bulgari Diagono Titanium 44m
2009: Bell & Ross BR03-51 GMT Titanium
2011: Cartier Santos 100 Black PVD

The above 3 models you could get around $6k if you sell them and put that money towards an A.Lange or a VC (aside from the 5712/1A which you already have the budget for) to complement your nicely rounded collection, i believe you're already all set with chronos so you could go for a basic VC Overseas on leather strap or a Lange 1, i hope i don't hurt any feelings here...just expressing my opinion, taste is different from a person to another.
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Many thanks for your kind words!

The 5726 is too thick for a Nautilus IMO due to the added complication (AC) and as far as i'm concerned an Annual Calendar complication made by Patek should be more classic in the veins of 5146, 5205, 5035, 5396...etc. The design of the Nautilus PP screams sport chic so i would stick to the original 5711 or 5712, personally i wouldn't pay that much money for the 5711 knowing it's a steel watch with no complications, i'd add some $$ and get its bigger brother. The 5980 pushers and case diameter doesn't appeal to me at all though.
Also, if i may comment on your collection...you've got few interesting pieces there and a few others that i'd try to sell and replace with better ones if i was in your position:

2008: Bulgari Diagono Titanium 44m
2009: Bell & Ross BR03-51 GMT Titanium
2011: Cartier Santos 100 Black PVD

The above 3 models you could get around $6k if you sell them and put that money towards an A.Lange or a VC (aside from the 5712/1A which you already have the budget for) to complement your nicely rounded collection, i believe you're already all set with chronos so you could go for a basic VC Overseas on leather strap or a Lange 1, i hope i don't hurt any feelings here...just expressing my opinion, taste is different from a person to another.
Cheers.
Thanks for your message on my humble collection. No feelings hurt at all. In fact check this out 2008: Bulgari Diagono Titanium 44m --> For sale
2009: Bell & Ross BR03-51 GMT Titanium --> Will keep
2011: Cartier Santos 100 Black PVD --> Sold, you will not believe this but I got $7k for it. A big Cartier Lover...

with this I now have about $11k put a side as I also had a Montblanc Timewalker that I also sold for $2.7k. Think I can get about $2.3k for the Bulgari. For maybe the $14k or so. This will go towards my 5712 budget. My next three watches are going to be a Patek, a Lange and an FP Journe for sure. This is what I am doing to upgrade my collection. I want no ETA based movement watches on my collection... Anyways looks like the 5712 would be. I also like the 5712R, how would you compare this one to the 5712-1A. And one more question. Which is the best 5712 in your opinion?
 

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I usually do no wear a lot of suits and for that I would rather have a really formal watch (ie Grand Lange 1), instead of picking between the 5712 and the 5164. For an everyday watch would you go with the 5712 or the 5164?

Also what do you think about the 5726A (not the 1A)?

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Ok, so you are shooting for two watches. So 1 ALS and 1 Patek is the perfect combo. For the Patek I would stick with the 5712, for the reasons I mention before. The 5164 is a beautiful watch but I can't justify in my mind 36k for an Aquanaut but more importantly I think the 5712 looks better.
As far as the 5762A, I think is more target to a 1 watch person. This design is marrying the sport look with an annual calendar complication with a leather strap. Trying too hard to hit all the spots falling short on all of them. But to each it's own, there is always a market for this ones.

For the ALS, if budget allows I would shoot for the Grand Lange 1 instead of the Lange 1. The Lange 1 is a little bit small 38mm I think the Grand Lange I is 40mm. Perfect size, I think.

Good luck!
 

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Ok, so you are shooting for two watches. So 1 ALS and 1 Patek is the perfect combo. For the Patek I would stick with the 5712, for the reasons I mention before. The 5164 is a beautiful watch but I can't justify in my mind 36k for an Aquanaut but more importantly I think the 5712 looks better.
As far as the 5762A, I think is more target to a 1 watch person. This design is marrying the sport look with an annual calendar complication with a leather strap. Trying too hard to hit all the spots falling short on all of them. But to each it's own, there is always a market for this ones.

For the ALS, if budget allows I would shoot for the Grand Lange 1 instead of the Lange 1. The Lange 1 is a little bit small 38mm I think the Grand Lange I is 40mm. Perfect size, I think.

Good luck!
With regards to the ALS, I will go with the GL1 instead of the L1 for sure. I have tried both on and you are right the L1 is small. Regarding the Patek which is this year's watch there is about a $5k difference between the 5712 and the 5726. I like different things on both watches. On the 5726 I like that is an annual calendar (I don't have any), I like the clean dial for a complicated watch, and the price is not bad for the complication. On the 5726 I don't like that it has the big rotor (although its nice I like the mini better), I also think is thicker than it needs to be for a Nautilus. Overall an awesome watch. On the 5712 I like the bracelet, I like the mini rotor, and I like the fact that is very thin. On the 5712 I am not sure that I like that although the dial is busy it does not have anything really complicated (power reserve, date, and moon phase). Do you know if on the 5726 given that it has a leather strap you can buy a clasp with the calatrava cross and adapt it to it? This would be a huge plus! Thoughts? I am torn as you can see....
 

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With regards to the ALS, I will go with the GL1 instead of the L1 for sure. I have tried both on and you are right the L1 is small. Regarding the Patek which is this year's watch there is about a $5k difference between the 5712 and the 5726. I like different things on both watches. On the 5726 I like that is an annual calendar (I don't have any), I like the clean dial for a complicated watch, and the price is not bad for the complication. On the 5726 I don't like that it has the big rotor (although its nice I like the mini better), I also think is thicker than it needs to be for a Nautilus. Overall an awesome watch. On the 5712 I like the bracelet, I like the mini rotor, and I like the fact that is very thin. On the 5712 I am not sure that I like that although the dial is busy it does not have anything really complicated (power reserve, date, and moon phase). Do you know if on the 5726 given that it has a leather strap you can buy a clasp with the calatrava cross and adapt it to it? This would be a huge plus! Thoughts? I am torn as you can see....
I know, I am going to say a statement that I hear often and repeat often as well: Any serious collection needs a Patek Philippe annual calendar on a precious metal.
The problem is that with that statement I am implying 3 watches: PP annual calendar in gold or Pt, PP sport (in this case Nautilus) and a Lange.
In my case I went for 4 : PP 5146g, PP 5712, ALS Saxonia Thin, ALS 116.039. The last one is my next watch, if God allows.

I am not helping, I know but that's how I see it. You could go with 5726 and save you a watch, as long as it makes you happy you are fine.
As far as the Calatrava cross, I think that regardless if you can do it or not, would be out of place for sport watch,
My 0.02 cts
 
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