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Ok, here's what I've learned (or think I have learned) so far...

A company named Von Buren started making cases in the 40's or 50's either under the name Squale or together with a company named Squale. These cases were used by other watchmakers who co-branded their watches, e.g. Bentos/Squale.

In the 60's Von Buren (either under the Squale name or together with a company named Squale) started their own line of watches (Squale/Squale), while still supplying cases to others.

Nowadays there is an Italian company called Squale (something, something) who, according to scubawatch.org use NOS cases and modern ETA 2824-2 movements. On their website, squale.ch (note the swiss domain) which is completely in Italian they mention Von Buren and also (though my Italian is extremely limited) that Squale has continued as some kind of subsidiary to military suppliers.

Question 1: Are Von Buren and Squale separate companies?
Question 2: Von Buren sounds German while Squale, as far as I know is italian (meaning shark)?
Question 3: Is it correct that the modern Squale watches are NOS cases with new movements?
Question 4: Does the company behind squale.ch have anyting to do with Von Buren or the old Squale?
Question 5: The military heritage; does it exist?
Question 6: Where has Squale been between say 1975 and 2010?

I would appreciate any thoughts/corrections but, please, don't link to other watchforum threads; I think I've read them all and I'm still non the wiser...

If anyone should happen to know the complete (but comprehensive) history of Squale, please post!

Ola
 

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Re: Educate me about SQUALE

Thanks for posting these questions.
I picked this up from an Italian dealer and was under the impression it was a vintage. Now I see it available on the Squale site.
So the provenance of Squale is certainly of interest to me, too.

 

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Hey thanks for this thread. I love the look of these. Wish I had the coin to pick on up or the homage made by Mr. Yao. Just love these.
 

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Hey Jay - I think that the atelier was selling old stock until they have the new batch ready to roll. The new ones I believe are just remade using the old cases as a base though I do not think they are available yet - just like the website! All those guys in that thread showing their watches were just the bought up old stock - just like your PVD version. A few were lucky enough to get signed bracelets (be-still my beating heart on valentines day, no less!).

The Squale story will go on and the fact that it is emerging from this second floor atelier in Milan (?) is just so apropos for this enigmatic (and awesome) brand.
 

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I had never heard of these but saw this and had to have it. As I understand it it has a 2892 movement, the locking bezel push button a la Omega, and is pretty much spot on. Believe it may bearound 20 years old and the lume is quite patinaed and weak. Had to personalize it so had this custom strap made and it is a part of my regular rotation.

Just my bragging, lol.

paul

 

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Hey Aikiman, mine had a polished bezel but it rubbed me the wrong way. Too blingy. So a bit of Scotch pad, a little touch up with a 10 micron strip, and it has just the right amount of dullness. Easy enough to polish it back to its chrome like finish if it ever makes the flip stage but I am not expecting that to happen.

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Hey Jay - I think that the atelier was selling old stock until they have the new batch ready to roll. The new ones I believe are just remade using the old cases as a base though I do not think they are available yet - just like the website!
Yes, the Squale watches now sold by Squale in Milan are realized using NOS cases, dials and hands, while the eta2824/2 movment and the bezel insert are new production. They are already available, I bought my 50 atmos directly from them in semptember, and so did many italian WISes. Note that Squale sells them at better price than many sellers in e-bay!! They also say a new diver is coming out soon by Squale, but I don't know much more about that.

b-) very nice watches btw
 

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Question 1: Are Von Buren and Squale separate companies?
Question 2: Von Buren sounds German while Squale, as far as I know is italian (meaning shark)?
Question 3: Is it correct that the modern Squale watches are NOS cases with new movements?
Question 4: Does the company behind squale.ch have anyting to do with Von Buren or the old Squale?
Question 5: The military heritage; does it exist?
Question 6: Where has Squale been between say 1975 and 2010?
Dear Ola, your questions are not easy at all, let's try:

Question 1: As you already stated, Squale web-site says C. Von Büren started out in the '50s producing professional dive watch cases, and later in the '60s he began to sign his watches as 'Squale' on the dial. Actually Squale catalogue says "Squale - since 1946 [edited, 1967 was wrong]". If you notice, the other Squale logo (not the shark at 6, but the other at 12) contains the Von Büren logo, and also the crown is signed Von Büren. All that said, I cannot say if they were the same company in the past, but i'd suppose so.

Question 2: Squale is not the italian for shark (that is "Squalo"), but may be easily a fantasy name based on the italian "squalo".

Question 3: yes, modern Squale watches are NOS cases, NOS tritium dial and hands, and new eta movements and bezel insert. This may vary upon the model. They say a new model is being develoveped now.

Question 4: Maybe it is the same company, maybe they bought their old stock? Some italian WISes visited their laboratory in Milan and it seems they are in the business from ages, so i guess they are just the same Squale of the past. But again, the link with Von Büren is unclear.

Question 5: an old advertising about French MN watches has been seen in Squale's laboratory in Milan. And if you notice, the famous MN's Auricoste Spirotechnique seems to be based on Squale case. The same is for the German's Blancpain Fifty Fathoms "Bund". A fellow italian WIS says that Squale owner actually wears a Blancpain Bund... could this mean something? Squale websites says they were suppliers of the Italian Navy, but I've never seen issued Squale watches, even if do exist Squales divers with Italian military emblems on the dial (I've seen them popping out sometimes on the bay).

Question 6: who knows???

:-s
 
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