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To kick off this thread; This dial and Housing, is that a legit combination? If not, to which housing belongs this dial ?
The dial has currently Komandirskie hands, but can it be with Amphibian hands too ? ..... (perhaps in a 270 case??)
 

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To kick in the door; This dial and Housing, is that a legit combination? If not, to which housing belongs this dial ?
The dial has currently Komandirskie hands, but can it be with Amphibian hands too ? ..... (perhaps in a 270 case??)
As you'll know from looking through the 1993 catalogue this is a type 64 case and I think the 1993 catalogue image is the only reference we have for this particular case, as for whether or not that dial is legit in that case the answer is it might be :think:

But it would also look good in a 270 case and as there's no catalogue image at all for the 270 case nobody could prove it's wrong :-d

1993 catalogue image:

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Sounds good, as I wanted to use the case for the 2000 WW2 commemorative dial I have and possibly the "Vostok" dial for the 270 housing.

The combination of the this 64 case and the dial I have should look like the watch below;

Thank you for your help :-!
 

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Alright boy's, I would like to humbly submit my latest acquisition to our esteemed panel of experts on this inaugural first page of........
"Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3" :-!


I have not seen a proof of authenticity sticker on the back of a Komanderskie?
 

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Alright boy's, I would like to humbly submit my latest accusation to our esteemed panel of experts on this inaugural first page of........
"Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3" :-!

I have not seen a proof of authenticity sticker on the back of a Komandirskie?
Watch looks good :-! the back will only fit upside down but you've seen that before :-d the box might be from an earlier Vostok as the packaging used in 1994/95 was usually the same as seen with your Dnepr watch.

Here's another sticker :)

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My guess is that they were put on to prove that the watch was genuine at a time when there were a lot of Chinese fakes around.
 

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Thank you Avidfan and I am glad the Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3 is riding again!.|>|>|>
So am I :-d

Do the papers in the box go with the 1995 Victory watch you posted ? As that's an unknown case type and they could solve the mystery of what case code these cushion cased Vostoks have :think:
 

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Alright boy's, I would like to humbly submit my latest accusation to our esteemed panel of experts on this inaugural first page of........
"Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3"


I have not seen a proof of authenticity sticker on the back of a Komandirskie?
Watch looks good
the back will only fit upside down but you've seen that before
the box might be from an earlier Vostok as the packaging used in 1994/95 was usually the same as seen with your Dnepr watch.

Here's another sticker


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My guess is that they were put on to prove that the watch was genuine at a time when there were a lot of Chinese fakes around.
Here is a similar copy on sale now. Look at the matching bezel.... Do you think they made different combos? Probably.
 

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Here is a similar copy on sale now. Look at the matching bezel.... Do you think they made different combos? Probably.
I think Vostok put 1995 Victory dials into almost every case type they had and the bezel shown is well known :)

But it's a little bit franken as by this date Vostok were no longer putting serial numbers on their case backs...
 

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Here is a similar copy on sale now. Look at the matching bezel.... Do you think they made different combos? Probably.
I think Vostok put 1995 Victory dials into almost every case type they had and the bezel shown is well known


But it's a little bit franken as by this date Vostok were no longer putting serial numbers on their case backs...
I see. Frankly speaking I never studied the late post soviet Vostoks. I imagine there was a state of anarch for a few years post 1992 and lots of strange models were actually made by the factory and that would greatly complicate the live of us (collectors). 🙂
 

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So am I :-d

Do the papers in the box go with the 1995 Victory watch you posted ? As that's an unknown case type and they could solve the mystery of what case code these cushion cased Vostoks have :think:
I got some pic's of the paperwork
 

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Here is a similar copy on sale now. Look at the matching bezel.... Do you think they made different combos? Probably.
As comrade Avidfan said, the 1945 - 1995 comes in many different shapes and forms. Here the same bezel, but different dial and a 64 Komandirskie case.
Commemorating the 50 years must have been a big event.
 

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I got some pic's of the paperwork
Interesting...looks like Vostok decided to use up some old export passports printed in 1990 in March 1995 :-s not too sure if they go with the watch though unless the case code for these cushion cases was the same whether the crown was at 3 o'clock or 2 o'clock (the case code 33 is well known to be the code for the cushion case with the crown at 2 o'clock) the dial code shown is 054 you would need to see other watches with the same dial and code on the papers to confirm that it's correct. :)

@Avidfan; very curious of what you make out of Jimzilla's papers......
Confused, but it would be less interesting if everything was known :-d
 

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Interesting...looks like Vostok decided to use up some old export passports printed in 1990 in March 1995 :-s not too sure if they go with the watch though unless the case code for these cushion cases was the same whether the crown was at 3 o'clock or 2 o'clock (the case code 33 is well known to be the code for the cushion case with the crown at 2 o'clock) the dial code shown is 054 you would need to see other watches with the same dial and code on the papers to confirm that it's correct. :)
The intriguing part here is that the date on the passport (27-03-95) is "correct" and that the watch case is quite similar to the catalogued "33" case with the crown @ 2. It looks like that the passport has an officially printed text, not some hand written numbers, something which should have some validity :think:

So far I couldn't find out if the dial is a 054. It's a well known dial and there must be some papers around. I'll will give it another try today.
If the dial is a 054, and the fact that the "33" with the crown at 3-o-clock after all those years hasn't been positively identified, it may well be, as you said, that Vostok called the 33-(@2) case and the 33-(@3) case the same :think:

If it can be proven that the dial is a 054, then Jimzilla's passport may be the key to unlock the "33" case mystery ...... 33(@2) and / or the 33(@3) :roll:
The hunt for the dial is on ...... :-d

Fascinating stuff :-!
 
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