Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3

Ps heres a pic of the movement

RaymondVDK said:

Thanks a lot! I didnt get a photo of the movement, can take one when i meet the seller
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Just took a pic of the movement

palletwheel said:

Need photos of the movement and the crown. The photo I see here got cut off at the crown.

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Not sure if dial is legit, but crown looks like it might be? Also not sure what the back says

Octane1 said:

Do you think the dial is original? It looks very old. Im also okay with a newer movement assuming it keeps the time better than an older one.

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yes, the dial is 100$ original. But my personal take: the watch is quite used. The crown is badly used. These watches are notorious for being difficult to wind even with a new crown. With this crown I am almost certain you will struggle each time you wind it. These watches are quite common. Branded as Seconda, Carnavin or as Luch. One can find a new one (yes, new) for about 100$. I sold several and they were for sale for weeks! (one for 80$ another for 115$). Here are the photos. Unless you can get this for 25$ or so my question is ‘why buy this one?’ For just a few more $ you can get a much better looking one.

Does anyone know if this is legit? Hesitant to pull the trigger on these chronos. Also does it look to be in good shape? The dial looks to be a bit pockmarked. Not sure if it's a good buy at $600.

Curious to hear thoughts about this Vympel and the others below (on first look). Thanks!

palletwheel said:

Dash has this on his website:

Kirovskie | Watches of the USSR

Explore Soviet watches: Kirovskie, Kirova, Kirov, Кировские, Watch, Часы, USSR, СССР

mroatman.wixsite.com

I haven't had a chance to look for the catalog entry, so I don't know if either of you have the right crown, but Dash is in most cases correct. Red second hand is IMHO not right. Many people took the gold ones and painted them red, it was a "thing" in its day. It looks like that's what happened to this one, so if you can strip the lacquer without damaging the gilding underneath it would be ok. Movement is correct. Personally, would skip this unless cheap and you feel like taking on a project.

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The 1960 catalog confirms your thoughts that the model shown should have a gilded second hand; it also looks very nice with the red though. It could be a second hand replaced with a red hand from a Kirovskie model. The black dial version has a red second hand.
For the model shown:




Оформление ЧН-668К

Корпус хромированный пылевлагонепроницаемый
диаметром 35 мм ; крышка из нержавеющей стали.
Стекло органическое сферической формы.
Циферблат белый с полной оцифровкой 1—12.

Цифры золотистые. В центре циферблата рисунок блед-
ножелтого цвета. Минутная шкала с шестьюдесятью де-
лениями, каждое пятое деление с оцифровкой. Шкала

и надписи на циферблате черные.
Стрелки золоченые.

Оформление ЧН-670К

Рисунок в центре циферблата окаймлен золотистым
ободком.
В остальном аналогично оформлению ЧН-668К.

Registration of ChN-668K

Housing chrome-plated dustproof
diameter 35 mm; stainless steel cover.
Glass organic spherical shape.
The dial is white with full digitization 1-12.

The numbers are golden. In the center of the dial, the pattern is pale
no-yellow color. Minute scale with sixty de-
divisions, every fifth division with digitization. Scale

and the inscriptions on the dial are black.
The arrows are gilded.

Registration of ChN-670K

The pattern in the center of the dial is framed in gold
rim.
The rest is similar to the design of the ChN-668K.

The black dialed version:


Mine:





Оформление ЧН-665К

Корпус хромированный пылевлагонепроницаемый
диаметром 35 мм ; крышка из нержавеющей стали.
Стекло органическое сферической формы.
Циферблат черный с полной оцифровкой 1—12.
Шкала с шестьюдесятью делениями. Цифры, шкала и
надписи на циферблате белые.

Часовая и минутная стрелки золоченые копьеобраз-
ные, секундная окрашена в красный цвет.

Registration of ChN-665K

Housing chrome-plated dustproof
diameter 35 mm; stainless steel cover.
Glass organic spherical shape.
The dial is black with full digitization 1-12.
Scale with sixty divisions. Numbers, scale and
the inscriptions on the dial are white.

Hour and minute hands gilded spear-shaped
seconds, the second is colored red.

I did buy this Poljot today hope this is not a fake

Odessa200 said:

Vimpel: wrong crown. Real dial and hands. Need back and movement photos to say more about it.

Left to right:

complete fake, good, fake dial, wrong case and crown, complete fake, wrong crown.

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