Who on earth (or even in Russia) ever heard of a Raky??
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Pаку is russian for Cancer (the astrological symbol). The fact that there is a confusion of cyrillic and latin script on the dial would immediately ring alarm bells!
He-he-he :-d
I`m afraid no one!
The word "раки" in Russian means crawfishes, river lobsters.
When I saw your subject I momentarily remembered an extremely popular humorous story about them invented by Mikhail Zhvanetsky and performed by Roman Kartsev, the famous Russian humorists. Any who lived in Soviet Russia in the 80s and 90s knows and loves them and this story.
Роман Карцев - Раки по пять рублей.flv
As for the watch - This is also kind of humorous story. ;-)
I`m afraid no one!
The word "раки" in Russian means crawfishes, river lobsters.
When I saw your subject I momentarily remembered an extremely popular humorous story about them invented by Mikhail Zhvanetsky and performed by Roman Kartsev, the famous Russian humorists. Any who lived in Soviet Russia in the 80s and 90s knows and loves them and this story.
As for the watch - This is also kind of humorous story. ;-)
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Don't worry, people. It's one of the "creative" (!) products made by italian importers during the late '80s. The watch was discussed here:
OROLOGIKO :: Leggi argomento - Spunti, miti...di tutto un p!
(in "automatic" English: Risultati della traduzione per http://www.orologiko.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11891&sid=bb7cd7b85cdfec6aca8cbe807ec0fa65 )
The watch was sold by the official Italian importers, together with other models. Of course it wasn't made by Raketa - most likely it was totally made in Italy with Slava movement. A stock of movements and cases (BTW, that case was used also for some "KGB" models), et voila, one "Russian watch" more, to extend the range of products.
About the weirdness of the watch, no surprise - many watch companies makes these things everyday. The Komandirskie 3133 chronographs were in the same type of production. They were made in Italy by official importers of original Vostoks. Neverthless, they were massively advertised as "official" Soviet products, with "Original Soviet Product" label attached to the lugs.
That Raketa "Raky" shares the "fantasy" on the dial with some Raketa watches (with Raketa movement) recently discussed on the forum. Packaging is the same, company is probably the same, but of course this is even more strange.
BTW, Russian alphabet was a sort of pop-art thing during those years...it would be nice to buy a watch lobster :-d
OROLOGIKO :: Leggi argomento - Spunti, miti...di tutto un p!
(in "automatic" English: Risultati della traduzione per http://www.orologiko.it/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11891&sid=bb7cd7b85cdfec6aca8cbe807ec0fa65 )
The watch was sold by the official Italian importers, together with other models. Of course it wasn't made by Raketa - most likely it was totally made in Italy with Slava movement. A stock of movements and cases (BTW, that case was used also for some "KGB" models), et voila, one "Russian watch" more, to extend the range of products.
About the weirdness of the watch, no surprise - many watch companies makes these things everyday. The Komandirskie 3133 chronographs were in the same type of production. They were made in Italy by official importers of original Vostoks. Neverthless, they were massively advertised as "official" Soviet products, with "Original Soviet Product" label attached to the lugs.
That Raketa "Raky" shares the "fantasy" on the dial with some Raketa watches (with Raketa movement) recently discussed on the forum. Packaging is the same, company is probably the same, but of course this is even more strange.
BTW, Russian alphabet was a sort of pop-art thing during those years...it would be nice to buy a watch lobster :-d
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I see a latin "R", not a cyrillic "P", anyway it seems that these "fantasy dials" appear very often because people who make them don't know russian very well...
http://orologiec.forumup.it/viewtopic.php?t=691&start=0&mforum=orologiec
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Note that in Italian, "prendere un granchio" (to take a crab) means "to make a mistake", "to make a misunderstanding".
Curious destiny for a so strange watch.
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We need a translation!!!:-sHe-he-he :-d
I`m afraid no one!
The word "раки" in Russian means crawfishes, river lobsters.
When I saw your subject I momentarily remembered an extremely popular humorous story about them invented by Mikhail Zhvanetsky and performed by Roman Kartsev, the famous Russian humorists. Any who lived in Soviet Russia in the 80s and 90s knows and loves them and this story.
YouTube -
Роман Карцев - Раки по пять рублей.flv
As for the watch - This is also kind of humorous story. ;-)
Molto interesante!
Non lo conocevo. Grazie, Michele!
I wonder if those who made this watch knew about this thing you said.
Sorry, amigos, it`s absolutely untranslatable into other languages.
Here is an insipid translation:
He is telling about river lobsters comparing those big lobsters at the price of 5 rubles, which he could buy yesterday if he had those 5 rubles, with today`s little ones at 3, which he can`t buy either because he hasn`t got even 3 rublles today.
The Russian language allows to add different nuances and pauses in right places and to get new possible meanings showing imaginable situation as a contrast to the real one.
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To take a crab...or get a grip!
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Just for the record, i have found the KGB brother of the "lobster". Accurate embossed inscriptions, apparently nice finish, wrong jewels number (should be 27 and not 29), and the "BURAN" name is curiously common with some watches produced by Vostok and seen only on the Italian market, always with box and papers.
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and here some pics of the "lobster" previously published on orologiko.it.
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and here some pics of the "lobster" previously published on orologiko.it.
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The KGB watch was produced by Rotal Trade togheter others two KGB watches.
The last tw had a 2416b movement while the first one had a Slava automatic movement and was accompanied with a 2616b Wostok certificate!
All three watches were regularly sold, was distributed with a brochure explaining all the features.
I will do a post about them and the documentation used to sell them.
Instead, i have some doubt about the "Racky" watch.
We do not have any documentation on the production of these watches.
Just as we have no trace of them in the magazines of the time, but is now a certain fact that in Italy there was a big production of fake russian watches.
I don't know who made the "Racky", i think that wasn't a legitimate production.
I think that it is a fake.
The last tw had a 2416b movement while the first one had a Slava automatic movement and was accompanied with a 2616b Wostok certificate!
All three watches were regularly sold, was distributed with a brochure explaining all the features.
I will do a post about them and the documentation used to sell them.
Instead, i have some doubt about the "Racky" watch.
We do not have any documentation on the production of these watches.
Just as we have no trace of them in the magazines of the time, but is now a certain fact that in Italy there was a big production of fake russian watches.
I don't know who made the "Racky", i think that wasn't a legitimate production.
I think that it is a fake.
Grazie, Michele.
Now we know where those "lobsters" hibernate.
A little but curious OT:
I can`t but tell you about Russian idiomatic expressions with mentioning lobsters.
The first one is about hibernation of river lobsters:
The expression "показать кому-либо где раки зимуют" is literally translated "to show somebody where river lobsters hibernates" and has actual meaning " to give it somebody hot" or "to make it (too) hot for somebody".
Another interesting version in action:
Он узнает, где раки зимуют - He will get it in the neck.
Another expression is "когда рак свистнет": literally "when a lobster whistle", the real meaning is "never"
And finally the third one: быть красным как рак - to be red as a lobster means "to blush with shame".
I wonder if there are similar expressions with mentioning lobsters besides one Michele`s above and these in my post.
Now we know where those "lobsters" hibernate.
A little but curious OT:
I can`t but tell you about Russian idiomatic expressions with mentioning lobsters.
The first one is about hibernation of river lobsters:
The expression "показать кому-либо где раки зимуют" is literally translated "to show somebody where river lobsters hibernates" and has actual meaning " to give it somebody hot" or "to make it (too) hot for somebody".
Another interesting version in action:
Он узнает, где раки зимуют - He will get it in the neck.
Another expression is "когда рак свистнет": literally "when a lobster whistle", the real meaning is "never"
And finally the third one: быть красным как рак - to be red as a lobster means "to blush with shame".
I wonder if there are similar expressions with mentioning lobsters besides one Michele`s above and these in my post.
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Of course, please remember that i have posted the KGB watch just to add an element to the rebus.
Both watches have same case, same movement, same hands, same typos on the dial and same embossing. It's the same watch, made in the same factory and by the same hands.
It's interesting to know more about the "Rotal Trade" company, of course within the limits of the advertising sheets (don't forget that Soyuz watches were advertised with a lot of BS), and if they supplied watches to other companies (if they were producers)., so i would expect at least to not see that KGB watch as promoted as "Russian watch", because it's not a Russian watch.
Just like all the Vostok chronographs, definitively not Vostok products, produced in Italy by a company that proudly attached the "Genuine Soviet Product" tag to those watches (and many others too). :roll:
BTW, if i'm not wrong, the white KGB with Vostok movement had different "spider" lugs, right? and here is another connection that you probably already know... ;-)
The company was the Royal Trade Import GMBH, Bodekerstr 13, 3000 Hannover.
I want to say that there is a big difference between watches made by a company that sells them regularly and promotes them on the market and watches made illegally, probably, and of which there is no trace of any kind.
The first, the Royal Trade are "sovietic watches", others are fake.
Is certainly very probable that the parties came from the same sources.
In other words Royal Trade a company duly registered and probably with some form of contract with Wostok (or others) produce or market or original watches created specially for the European market. Just as, in Italy,Time Trend has done with "koamndirskie" chrono.
While Raky belongs to that type of watches with written wrong, graphics often very far from the original Raketa, Wostok, etc..
watches that we don't not know specifically where and from who were produced.
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I want to say that there is a big difference between watches made by a company that sells them regularly and promotes them on the market and watches made illegally, probably, and of which there is no trace of any kind.
The first, the Royal Trade are "sovietic watches", others are fake.
Is certainly very probable that the parties came from the same sources.
In other words Royal Trade a company duly registered and probably with some form of contract with Wostok (or others) produce or market or original watches created specially for the European market. Just as, in Italy,Time Trend has done with "koamndirskie" chrono.
While Raky belongs to that type of watches with written wrong, graphics often very far from the original Raketa, Wostok, etc..
watches that we don't not know specifically where and from who were produced.
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Bingo!The company was the Royal Trade Import GMBH, Bodekerstr 13, 3000 Hannover.
I want to say that there is a big difference between watches made by a company that sells them regularly and promotes them on the market and watches made illegally, probably, and of which there is no trace of any kind.
The first, the Royal Trade are "sovietic watches", others are fake.
Is certainly very probable that the parties came from the same sources.
In other words Royal Trade a company duly registered and probably with some form of contract with Wostok (or others) produce or market or original watches created specially for the European market. Just as, in Italy,Time Trend has done with "koamndirskie" chrono.
While Raky belongs to that type of watches with written wrong, graphics often very far from the original Raketa, Wostok, etc..
watches that we don't not know specifically where and from who were produced.
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Another case of "Tutti Insieme Appassionatamente" ("all together with passion", Italian title for the movie "The Sound Of Music", 1965).
The first one is -quite clearly- a 100% Vostok watch. I have the same model, but with papers by another company ("Ars Mundi").
The second one is always called "Buran", and has the same "spider lugs" case used for the Vostok's reissue of the Kirowa Sputnik:
https://www.watchuseek.com/f10/vostok-buran-watch-7183.html
In another article/ad found by Mchap, there is a reference to a "celebrative model" that was in developement. Maybe it was this one? Who knowns. Anyway, this Sputnik model is probably made in Italy (together with Vostok chronographs) and distributed by the Italian importer. And it's not a fake.
The third watch, as said, is the "twin brother" of the "lobster". It's NOT Russian. The "father is the same". That Royal Trade company made exactly the same game - they mixed original Russian products with other styles of watches taken from other sources. Claiming that the third watch is Russian too. And it isn't.
No. Just my 2 cents. Note that the third Royal Trade watch, being the same as the Raky, has mispellings and graphics made in the same way. And it's not a Soviet watch.
I guess what some of you are saying or thinking, but i don't care. Too many lobsters, and i don't think that some lobsters needs a pedigree.
Especially if they came from the same eggs. A piece of paper can help, but it can't say all the truth.
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It's the first time that I see this watch...the first question that comes in my mind is...anybody realized at that time that the KGB crest was different?Just for the record, i have found the KGB brother of the "lobster". Accurate embossed inscriptions, apparently nice finish, wrong jewels number (should be 27 and not 29), and the "BURAN" name is curiously common with some watches produced by Vostok and seen only on the Italian market, always with box and papers.
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