Real or Fake Omega

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · 6 mo ago

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I think this one is a Frankenstein, but I could be wrong I believe the early constellations were 17J bumper watches, the 1st rotors were I believe 19J then they went to 24. Looks like a rotor on this one when it should have been a bumper so I think the movements off. Also when I look at the dial something seems off the seconds width seems inconsistent at the date, maybe a refinish dial? Its 37mm, at $299 dont know if it is worth it as a franenstein.

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Msiekierski

· #21 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
Thanks
Msiekierski, I'll grow a thinker skin, just will not let the trolls win out , getiing 1000's of postings for one liners does not curt it in my book. If I post 50 a day thats 17K in a year , lets look at the number of postings in a years time

I personally do not care about number of posts, but personally if I come into a new group, I try to feel out the room and dynamics, not insist that all play by MY rules the second I walked in.
Personally hope you stay and contribute, it’s a fun place. Like everywhere else, we could all use some more humor and leeway. The world has gotten super sensitive.
To put the watch question in context for you. We get a nauseating amount of folks that join an hr ago asking “is my watch real?” 99% of time it’s a blatant fake that you know they would answer their own question if they just googled it. Gets old. Your watch is not in that category 🙂

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Msiekierski

· #22 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
Thanks, good point ! I've been collecting for over 20 years, just have not posted on this forum. Have unique collection of original mesh NOS Accutron 1960s bands (Not trying to sell anything) just mentioning due to a love for Accutrons. Some of my favorite brands, Omega, Accutron, and Bucherer (Not Carl Bucherer!) and Art deco watches. Cant believe how well a tank watch from the 1930s can run!!

Would love to see some deco tanks! Maybe start a new topic with that, pics a must, of course!

Bizcut1

· #23 · 6 mo ago

Hang in there, OP.

Don't be shy about using the "Ignore" feature, either. Comes in handy sometimes...

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #24 · 6 mo ago

Msiekierski said:
Would love to see some deco tanks! Maybe start a new topic with that, pics a must, of course!

I've got two, got them from a collector who treasured them for over 30 -40 years. I'll put them up here or what section to use? The refinished dial on one is very good (In my opinion)

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WIS_Chronomaster

· #25 · 6 mo ago

The Dial looks off to me, and something about the watch doesn't get me.

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #26 · 6 mo ago

WIS_Chronomaster said:
The Dial looks off to me, and something about the watch doesn't get me.

I agree the dial looks like a refinish probably.

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John MS

· #27 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
Thanks, good point ! I've been collecting for over 20 years, just have not posted on this forum. Have unique collection of original mesh NOS Accutron 1960s bands (Not trying to sell anything) just mentioning due to a love for Accutrons. Some of my favorite brands, Omega, Accutron, and Bucherer (Not Carl Bucherer!) and Art deco watches. Cant believe how well a tank watch from the 1930s can run!!

Welcome to WUS and the Omega club. I've got three 1970's Omega f300hz tuning fork watches in nice running condition but not nos.

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #28 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
I agree the dial looks like a refinish probably.

I also think the crown size makes the case size seem off

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Msiekierski

· #29 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
I've got two, got them from a collector who treasured them for over 30 -40 years. I'll put them up here or what section to use? The refinished dial on one is very good (In my opinion)

Probably public forum…

bigclive2011

· #30 · 6 mo ago

We really arnt qualified to decide if your watches are genuine…..take it to a local expert is the best advice.

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #31 · 6 mo ago

John MS said:
Welcome to WUS and the Omega club. I've got three 1970's Omega f300hz tuning fork watches in nice running condition but not nos.

Those f300hz are getting pretty rare, fantastic watches, I have one Omega seamaster 300mhz (The "cone " shaped one) at the repair shop in pieces, I have a Movado/Zenith electronic watch I have not had the time to open that up and change the battery but it should be a 300Hz ESA 9162 tuning fork movement, I had to import it from Australia.

lehippi

· #32 · 6 mo ago

Lot's of people bickering in the thread and not providing any relevant information to the OP's question.

The watch is an absolute mess. Dial has been clearly refinished. In regards to the movement, lots of replacements parts. I can't see what the caliber is (rotor is blocking the text), but you can see on one of the bridges it says adjusted in two positions. Constellations (which were chronometers) were adjusted in 5 positions; so immediately more red flags. The caseback has the reference number 167.005 which is a constellation reference, but the correct reference looks nothing like the watch in question. If it was a 167.005 it would have a pie pan dial, dogleg lugs, etc. (just look it up on Google). Overall the case and dial of the watch in the picture look more like they belong to a Omega Genève model. For $299 I would look elsewhere.

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taildraggerpilot

· #33 · 6 mo ago

4 hour old account. Checks out………

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #34 · 6 mo ago

lehippi said:
Lot's of people bickering in the thread and not providing any relevant information to the OP's question.

The watch is an absolute mess. Dial has been clearly refinished. In regards to the movement, lots of replacements parts. I can't see what the caliber is (rotor is blocking the text), but you can see on one of the bridge it says adjusted in two positions. Constellations (which were chronometers) were adjusted in 5 positions; so immediately more red flags. The caseback has the reference number 167.005 which is a constellation reference, but the correct reference looks nothing like the watch in question. If it was a 167.005 it would have a pie pan dial, dogleg lugs, etc. (just look it up on Google). Overall the case and dial of the watch in the picture look more like they belong to a Omega Genève model. For $299 I would look elsewhere.

Thanks so much Lehippi, will run through your comments and add the learnings, did not know about the 5 position adjustment,

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John MS

· #35 · 6 mo ago

Bree66 said:
Those f300hz are getting pretty rare, fantastic watches, I have one Omega seamaster 300mhz (The "cone " shaped one) at the repair shop in pieces, I have a Movado/Zenith electronic watch I have not had the time to open that up and change the battery but it should be a 300Hz ESA 9162 tuning fork movement, I had to import it from Australia.

Nice. Yes the hummer watches are an interesting niche to collect. Several quality brands used the tuning fork movement. I've got 2 Constellations and 1 DeVille.

MX793

· #36 · 6 mo ago

Was it typical back then for a certified chronometer to have a movement adjusted in only 2 positions? For the past few decades, the standard has been at least 5.

Nokie

· #37 · 6 mo ago

lehippi said:
For $299 I would look elsewhere.

Your best advice....

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Time Exposure

· #38 · 6 mo ago

Excited about the Deco watches! Honestly, I think you'll have more "eyes" (and possibly more comments, good and bad) in the Public Forum. But for those who have a passion for the style, perhaps the Vintage Forum is a better place to share the Deco pieces?

www.watchuseek.com

Vintage & Pocket watches

Forum dedicated to vintage and pocket watches

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Lately (like, in the last couple months) I have rekindled my interest in the rectangular watches of the 30's to 50's. I'm having a couple of my grandfather's watches (a Gruen and a Bulova) restored. They are priceless to me, but as gold-filled watches they don't have much value. I started out collecting this type of watch in the late 80's because I saw them frequently at garage sales and flea markets then. I am particularly fond of Hamilton, though I look out for good deals on Bulova, Gruen, Longines, Lord Elgin, etc.
BTW, if your well-executed refinished dial is an old Hamilton, I just learned why many refinished Hamilton dials look so good, and don't seem to be a factor in terms of desirability (ask if interested, as your refinished dial might be from another brand).

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AnonPi

· #39 · 6 mo ago

That watch is absolutely fale. So fale. Totally fale.

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Bree66

Discussion Starter · #40 · 6 mo ago

John MS said:
Nice. Yes the hummer watches are an interesting niche to collect. Several quality brands used the tuning fork movement. I've got 2 Constellations and 1 DeVille.

It would be great if you could post the constellations I have

Time Exposure said:
Excited about the Deco watches! Honestly, I think you'll have more "eyes" (and possibly more comments, good and bad) in the Public Forum. But for those who have a passion for the style, perhaps the Vintage Forum is a better place to share the Deco pieces?

Vintage & Pocket watches

Forum dedicated to vintage and pocket watches

www.watchuseek.com

Lately (like, in the last couple months) I have rekindled my interest in the rectangular watches of the 30's to 50's. I'm having a couple of my grandfather's watches (a Gruen and a Bulova) restored. They are priceless to me, but as gold-filled watches they don't have much value. I started out collecting this type of watch in the late 80's because I saw them frequently at garage sales and flea markets then. I am particularly fond of Hamilton, though I look out for good deals on Bulova, Gruen, Longines, Lord Elgin, etc.
BTW, if your well-executed refinished dial is an old Hamilton, I just learned why many refinished Hamilton dials look so good, and don't seem to be a factor in terms of desirability (ask if interested, as your refinished dial might be from another brand).

Hi my refinished dial is a Gruen with a rare three red jewels on the dial one at 9,12 and 3 o clock

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