[Buschyfor3]

I foresee a short stay on this one lol

 

[Uhrentraeger]

Thanks Nokie lol

Instead of laughing out loud (could be first signs of insanity) you need to give more information where you got the watch from.

It was not bad advice to go to an expert. Hey this is the internet with random posters (again could be first signs of insanity that you think we are all watch authentication experts).

 

[StephenCanale]

Why would you want to attack & discourage a new member trying to expand his knowledge? Expensive or cheap watches, it shouldn't matter.

There are more than a few members here where barking at newcomers appears to be at least half of their day.

The idea of just scrolling past a thread that doesn't interest them is simply not within their wheelhouse.

I realize for most people that doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is.

 

[cykrops]

There are plenty of legitimate vintage omega dealers to check out where there will be little to no doubt about authenticity or originality. The watches will cost more than $299 though. Omega addict comes to mind

 

[Simons194]

You will get a load of opinion on here if you want specific knowledge I would put it in front of a specialist who knows precisely what and where to look if you want to be sure OP.

 

[ccmjd]

There are more than a few members here where barking at newcomers appears to be at least half of their day.

The idea of just scrolling past a thread that doesn't interest them is simply not within their wheelhouse.

I realize for most people that doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is.

Some people in the music world are constantly on the lookout for "The Next Beatles"....

Perhaps some people here are on the lookout for "The Next Trona" thread...

As to the watch, what's been said by others here rings true for me. Refinished dial, with (as you noted OP) anomalies around the date window. Likely a wrong movement, too. Also that crown...hmmm...

I've enhanced/sharpened/brightened the images provided, (old photographers never die, we just develop ) and the movement appears to be a 56-something, with the last digit hidden by the rotor.

Did the seller provide other photos.? I would say anything hidden (like that last digit) is a definite red flag. If there are other photos, could we see them? There may be more pertinent information in them. (like a serial number.) If these are the only two photos, request more from the seller. The seller's response will be telling.

 

[R15K]

I don’t think it’s fake but it’s definitely a frankenwatch. Pretty sure the case, dial and crown all came from different watches. Maybe they’re service parts? For $300 it’s a little steep but there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with it that I can see other than the obvious mishmash of parts. They just aren’t worth much. Be sure to consider the amazing modern watches you can get for $300 of all different styles and movements.

There’s no issue with new guys posting pics or authentication threads. Feel free and welcome to the forum. You’ll find it’s quite impossible for some people to scroll passed a thread though so consequently they post a lot but say little.

 

[Msiekierski]

There are plenty of legitimate vintage omega dealers to check out where there will be little to no doubt about authenticity or originality. The watches will cost more than $299 though. Omega addict comes to mind

Forgot about Omega Addict! Going to have to take a look at his inventory.

 

[JPa]

Was it typical back then for a certified chronometer to have a movement adjusted in only 2 positions? For the past few decades, the standard has been at least 5.

This particular note is very interesting to me, regarding an additional way to date the movement or determine it’s not a chronometer movement. Around what year did they move to five positions?

 

[MX793]

This particular note is very interesting to me, regarding an additional way to date the movement or determine it’s not a chronometer movement. Around what year did they move to five positions?

I don't know that COSC or any chronometer spec requires a minimum of 5 positions, but every COSC wristwatch movement I'm familiar with is adjusted in at least 5. The practice of adjusting in 5+ positions, for a chronometer or just a high accuracy/precision watch, pre-dates COSC, AFAIK. Rolex 1030, which was a 1950s era chronometer, was adjusted in 5.

 

[Bree66]

Some people in the music world are constantly on the lookout for "The Next Beatles"....

Perhaps some people here are on the lookout for "The Next Trona" thread...

As to the watch, what's been said by others here rings true for me. Refinished dial, with (as you noted OP) anomalies around the date window. Likely a wrong movement, too. Also that crown...hmmm...

I've enhanced/sharpened/brightened the images provided, (old photographers never die, we just develop ) and the movement appears to be a 56-something, with the last digit hidden by the rotor.

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Did the seller provide other photos.? I would say anything hidden (like that last digit) is a definite red flag. If there are other photos, could we see them? There may be more pertinent information in them. (like a serial number.) If these are the only two photos, request more from the seller. The seller's response will be telling.

Dont know what you did to enhance the picture, I thought there would have been a slight loss in detail on enlargement, and you did not have RAW versions to work with, but the new photos are fab , thanks for taking the time to improve them. I really like it when people with different skills get involved in the discussion

 

[Bree66]

I don’t think it’s fake but it’s definitely a frankenwatch. Pretty sure the case, dial and crown all came from different watches. Maybe they’re service parts? For $300 it’s a little steep but there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with it that I can see other than the obvious mishmash of parts. They just aren’t worth much. Be sure to consider the amazing modern watches you can get for $300 of all different styles and movements.

There’s no issue with new guys posting pics or authentication threads. Feel free and welcome to the forum. You’ll find it’s quite impossible for some people to scroll passed a thread though so consequently they post a lot but say little.

Well said. I will be posting another Omega, one I have happily bought because I like it, and I will explain why I like it, in my opinion I dont have a problem with owning a Frankenstein once I know up front what it is, saving a quality movement, dial, crown and case from the trash counts for something with me.

 

[Bree66]

Thanks all I posted my new post
Interesting Omega possible military frankenstein watch
Under the omega forum, please feel free to take a look and post a constructive comment

 

[Saswatch]

Good point on the value, at what point is a Frankenstein worth collecting, (Not $$) if its got a great movement, good dial, etc....asesthetically pleasing, so many gold watch cases are being melted down and the movements/dials etc... disgarded.

Worth it for a collector focused on franken watches. Take it to an Omega AD for a more informed response.

 

[StephenCanale]

COSC includes testing over for fifteen days, in five positions, at three different temperatures.

Positions are 3 o’clock, 6 o’clock, 9 o’clock, dial on top, dial on the bottom.

There are limits on not only overall accuracy but also a number of different variations throughout the test duration.

 

[MX793]

COSC includes testing over for fifteen days, in five positions, at three different temperatures.

Positions are 3 o’clock, 6 o’clock, 9 o’clock, dial on top, dial on the bottom.

There are limits on not only overall accuracy but also a number of different variations throughout the test duration.

This watch may pre-date COSC (COSC started in the 1970s). I'm not certain that the tests were the same as today back then. Maybe it was possible to pass chronometer tests then if only adjusted in 2 positions? Just struck me as odd when, even from the mid-century, you typically found 4 or 5 positions adjustment on chronometers and high precision wristwatches.

 

[numbers guy]

Thanks for your contribution, please move on, I have been collecting for years, love watches just like anyone else on the forum, and want to know more about them. The other contributors did not have your comments and gave great information. Bullying stopped a long time ago pal, its not what you said its how you said it , with 17,000 posts I expected better.

I agree with you Bree66. Not sure what members get from an agressive and negative tone. If you see yourself as the Community Standard monitor to weed out posts unacceptable to you, then you're taking the right tact. Admonishments such as yours serve to discourage those that have posts that might be of interest to other members, even if they're not to you. If I don't care for a post or am not interested in the subject matter, I don't spend time on it. Peace and love, brother

 

[hooperman42]

It's a fairly regular thing around here from pretty much the same, usual number of cranks...although I haven't seen that same level of nastiness from NC_Hager before...maybe he is having a bad morning...usually a good guy...

This happens all the time If I had a question about a watch I would come here to get feedback - or another forum which might be a bit more pleasant. Good grief. Other forums are not like this. 99% percent of the people on here are kind. If a post makes you angry because someone asked a question below you then just go past it. Most all of us are adults. Deal with it. that way we dont have to sift through 30 other messages arguing if someone can give an opinion or not. Just another know it all. I think Ill sing off without looking any further today. This forum's 1%'s make me ill. There are better places to be insulted but more decent acting people. Bet you walk right by the person ringing the bell for the salvation army too - wasting your precious hearing time.

 

[Seabee1]

I agree with you Bree66. Not sure what members get from an agressive and negative tone. If you see yourself as the Community Standard monitor to weed out posts unacceptable to you, then you're taking the right tact. Admonishments such as yours serve to discourage those that have posts that might be of interest to other members, even if they're not to you. If I don't care for a post or am not interested in the subject matter, I don't spend time on it. Peace and love, brother

so is it real or fake?

 

[2premo]

this used to be a fun site!
seems like all the "experts" toned in and all the angry people flipped out
the watch is not original as stated above, the dial is original but to another watch, the movement is made up of a few different ones, Connies are chronometer grade (5 position) at least until they used the 1012, the crown might be a service crown, don't take all these people too seriously, most of them go buy new watches, which is also fine, but if you really want knowledge on early Connies, Desmond is your go to guy