San Martin upcoming releases // Speedmaster 38, RPX 40, Datejust 36

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Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · Mar 11, 2022

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I was browsing the San Martin Taobao store, I usually do it to check the reviews and photos posted on newer San Martin watches.
I saw that San Martin announced 3 new exciting watches for pre order :

1. Speedmaster 57

My favorite new release : 6 colorways
38.5 mm, 13 mm thickness and 47.5 mm Lug to lug.
ST1901 movement.

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2. Datejust 36

36 mm, 11 mm thickness and 44 mm lug to lug
PT5000 and SW200 movement
A lot of colorways (They are overdoing the "tiffany" thing)

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3. Surprising PRX 40 :

3 colorways : Blue, Black and Silver
40mm, 10.5 mm thickness, 45 mm lug to lug
Miyota 9015 movement

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What do you guys think ??

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Fergfour

· #41 · Mar 14, 2022 (Edited)

Chronopolis said:
Ahsweddagaaa, there is a lot of blindness in this ghetto.
As long it's shiny, and looks like som'm famous ("iconic'") for under $200, you'll get people going: 🤪

No blindness, just watches that people think look good, are good quality, and are affordable.
Truthfully I am torn between the Tissot PRX auto and the proposed SM "homage". I've seen prices for the Tissot in the low 500's which I consider affordable. I admit the waffle dial is growing on me, as well as the date. I still think the "1853" is annoying and unnecessary. I'd love to see a comparison between the two.

Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #42 · Mar 14, 2022

Philumi said:
About the PRX hommage: I own a Tissot PRX, and I'm not a big fan of the braclet. Too thin, only push pins, quite a lot of flex in it. I wouldn't be surprised if the San Martin hommage would be of a higher quality in terms of fit, finish and tolerances.

The 36mm DJ is great new aswell. I hope it'll be a true 36mm case now, which seems like it, because of the smaller lug to lug distance then their current 37mm cases. I'd wish for an oyster style braclet, but you can't have everything.

I want to get an integrated bracelet watch for the office (dress watch basically). The Maurice Lacroix Aikon 39 was always at the top of my list, but I have decided lately to get the Tissot PRX (and get the Seiko SPB143, both instead of the ML).
Would you say the PRX is worth it ? Or does it have a lot of negative details which affect the overall experience.

I'm pretty sure San Martin's bracelet will be better than Tissot's. You can check the reviews on the SN013, it has the same bracelet as the PRX.

Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #43 · Mar 14, 2022

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Fergfour said:
No blindness, just watches that people think look good, are good quality, and are affordable.
Truthfully I am torn between the Tissot PRX auto and the proposed SM "homage". I've seen prices for the Tissot in the low 500's which I consider affordable. I admit the waffle dial is growing on me, as well as the date. I still think the "1853" is annoying and unnecessary. I'd love to see a comparison between the two.

San Martin already has 2 integrated bracelet watches ... I'm pretty sure their finishing and quality will surpass Tissot's, especially on the bracelet.

The only side I can see to this "PRX homage" is for example, where I live, there isn't even one "Tissot" official store, you are expected to import them and pay an additional 20% on taxes, so the Tissot PRX suddenly costs around 700$. This, is when the San Martin homage becomes interesting. But not for me to be honest.

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Philumi

· #44 · Mar 14, 2022 (Edited)

@Foxthemulder The PRX is fine, I had the quartz version. I think if I never owned a sh*t ton of San Martin watches, I'd think the Tissot is good value as many others say aswell. SM kind of ruined it for me, you pay like $250 - $300 and get quality comparable to swiss pieces arround $1000.

For $350 the Tissot PRX is fine, but you can get it used like new for $250 easily I think, which is more where it belongs in my eyes. Finishing is good, especialy on the case. Brushing and polishing on the Braclet is fine aswell, but not amazing. The only real downsides in my eyes are the fixed first endlinks and the braclet. Like don't get me wrong, it's totally fine, but it just felt a bit cheap in my opinon. Many say something else, so take my opinon for whatever you want. It's a bit thin, which can be seen as cheap or a comfortable and classy, depending on your preferences. I think the biggest drawback for me was the Flex in the Braclet, due to the many links that are only held together by push pins. You simply can't get the same tight tolerances as you'd get with screws holding everything together.

But it's the same here, you can say that a lot of flex feels cheap, but you could also say that it's comfortable on the wrist. I'm a big sucker for high quality, tight braclets with low tolerances with as little flex as possible, something that feels sturdy and well made. Which is why I sold my PRX.

But if you like it, buy it. It's a great looking piece, but I'm a sucker for build quality, which is why I go for San Martin in this price bracked. I don't care for brand names, original designs, Swiss Made on the dial or something like that. I wan't a watch that feels high quality when playing with it aswell as on the wrist and with all those SM watches I had, like close to all of them, the Tissot just felt a bit lackluster to me. As I said, SM kind of ruined it for me.

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Fergfour

· #45 · Mar 14, 2022

Foxthemulder said:
Would you say the PRX is worth it ? Or does it have a lot of negative details which affect the overall experience.

I need to watch some reviews of the PRX to get more informed, but think for $500-ish the PRX automatic seems acceptable.
Also I see several PRX threads in the Tissot forum Tissot I'd recommend asking any questions you have there rather than the SM forum

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Philumi

· #46 · Mar 14, 2022

Just buy used, if unsure. That's what I'd do ar least. That way you can sell it without loosing money

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Jae Arr

· #47 · Mar 14, 2022

sdiver68 said:
Surprised they didn't downsize the PRX 2-3 mm given the concern many have with it being quite large with a true lug-to-lug close to 52mm.

THIS.

The 40mm is too big for MOST wrists. This should have be 38 at the largest IMHO

Poerger

· #48 · Mar 14, 2022

Chronopolis said:
D'OH !!
Is that so??
That's a game changer then.

In their own webshop (maybe in their AliX shop too) they offer to do a custom dial for an additional 30-50 usd. I have done this in the past and really can recommend it

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Chronopolis

· #49 · Mar 15, 2022

Poerger said:
In their own webshop (maybe in their AliX shop too) they offer to do a custom dial for an additional 30-50 usd. I have done this in the past and really can recommend it

I like the idea, given the "situation."
By which I mean, I think they were forced to make this "option" available.

I would like the brand I am buying from to have their logo done right to begin with: in a stylish manner that makes them special and unique.

This way, all the owners of that brand have / share that name in common.

Can ya imagine Omega or Rolex offering this DIY logo service?
Shudder.

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Livingtime

· #50 · Mar 15, 2022

Fergfour said:
Just a few assorted thoughts.
On the PRX, if you prefer auto, don’t want a waffle dial or a date, and want to spend 50% less, it’s hard to ignore the SM. For me the size is just right. I don’t love the hex but it doesn’t bother me either.
I’ve recently received the SN0076 and SN026 and I’m more than satisfied. If the quality of the new PRX is anything like those, I’m in. May not be for everyone but what is.

I have just started buying San Martin watches - I think they are a fabulous find! attributes like the top hat made with sapphire crystal glass are beautiful to look at and durable. There are little changes you can make to the san martin watches when you order, like getting indices that are attached to the dial vs painted on the dial.
What a find! I have noticed a lot more San Martin watches, in my watch world, in a short amount of time, have they started advertising more?

The main reason I was posting was to see what you thought of the cursive San Martin word as the "logo" on the watch? I think it looks pretty classy and much more demure than the hex logo...

Dedcakes

· #51 · Mar 15, 2022

The cursive San Martin font would look a whole lot better if it was a little more artistic. It looks like something I can make using the text tool in photoshop and with a default cursive font. Other Chinese companies can have a decent cursive logo like Sugess. I think that one looks classy. My problem with Sugess is that they then use a very generic Chinese/English looking font (probably named mandarin) for other text on the dial and casing. You know the one…

Livingtime said:
I have just started buying San Martin watches - I think they are a fabulous find! attributes like the top hat made with sapphire crystal glass are beautiful to look at and durable. There are little changes you can make to the san martin watches when you order, like getting indices that are attached to the dial vs painted on the dial.
What a find! I have noticed a lot more San Martin watches, in my watch world, in a short amount of time, have they started advertising more?

The main reason I was posting was to see what you thought of the cursive San Martin word as the "logo" on the watch? I think it looks pretty classy and much more demure than the hex logo...

turdbogls

· #52 · Mar 15, 2022

countingseconds said:
Their applied 'SAN MARTIN' logo is their best option ever. It reminds me of old school Seiko or Citizen logos. Really cool!
The fact that they offer custom dials for very little money, makes SM stand way above everyone in the watch game.

my only complaint about the applied san martin text logo was that it straight up disappears in certain light. if they had brushed the top surface of the letters it would have been so much better.

their current hex logo suffers but in the complete opposite way...it catches the light and loses all detail. I made a suggestion of infilling the logo with black paint. this would really help the look IMO.

or better yet, just print it on the dial.

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Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #53 · Mar 15, 2022

The Speedmaster homage is doing great in pre orders (already 40 sold in a few days). The PRX homage is waay behind.

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Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #54 · Mar 15, 2022

turdbogls said:
my only complaint about the applied san martin text logo was that it straight up disappears in certain light. if they had brushed the top surface of the letters it would have been so much better.

their current hex logo suffers but in the complete opposite way...it catches the light and loses all detail. I made a suggestion of infilling the logo with black paint. this would really help the look IMO.

or better yet, just print it on the dial.

I think I'm on the minority here, the logo really doesn't bother me, nor does the old "S" on the crown

(I only saw it once or twice over 10 months of owning the BB58).
They tried another logo, which maybe perfect to some, on their MM300, I don't know if you had it on your channel, it looks a lot like Seiko's applied logo.

Fergfour

· #55 · Mar 15, 2022

Foxthemulder said:
The Speedmaster homage is doing great in pre orders (already 40 sold in a few days). The PRX homage is waay behind.

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That's weird I was told the PRX wouldn't be ready for sale for a couple months? OH , maybe this is pre-orders....

Dedcakes

· #56 · Mar 15, 2022

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I’m surprised the printed hex isn’t more common. It’s a better choice because it’s not so in your face and it kind of disappears. I do enjoy the overall design on my 36mm SM, it’s probably one of my favorites in the collection.

I think the Speedmaster would have looked so much better with a printed hex Vs the applied one.

turdbogls said:
my only complaint about the applied san martin text logo was that it straight up disappears in certain light. if they had brushed the top surface of the letters it would have been so much better.

their current hex logo suffers but in the complete opposite way...it catches the light and loses all detail. I made a suggestion of infilling the logo with black paint. this would really help the look IMO.

or better yet, just print it on the dial.

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Catalyzt

· #57 · Mar 15, 2022

Foxthemulder said:
The Speedmaster homage is doing great in pre orders (already 40 sold in a few days). The PRX homage is waay behind.

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1) It is probably not healthy that I am asking this question, but is this likely to be a situation where the only practical way to get one of these is on preorder? The panda BB chronograph retro seems to have sold out very quickly, came and went before I heard much chatter about it.

2) I wonder how much higher the purchase price is likely to be when these are listed for sale?

3) We know the downpayment is $109, but can we make any guesses about what the final cost of the watch will be?

Seems like some of the preorders from other micros/Chinese brands were the only avenue to ownership. When the watches became available for regular sale, they sold out very quickly.

I know I'm asking folks to predict the future. If the answer is, "Get professional help," I'll schedule an appointment with my psychiatrist.

Once a year or so, he comes out with some great one liners. One was, "I'm so sorry, maybe I wasn't listening carefully enough, but what is it you like about this girl again?" (I had nothing. Stopped chasing her, met my wife a year later.)

When I told him about my watch issues, and how they related to death anxiety: "Buying time, are we?"

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Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #58 · Mar 15, 2022

Fergfour said:
That's weird I was told the PRX wouldn't be ready for sale for a couple months? OH , maybe this is pre-orders....

Yeah it's pre orders, I'm not 100% sure how it works, but I guess you pay 700¥ and you get a discount and get one sent to you as soon as they came out.
Best case scenario is 2 months, but it may take more, like with the BB Chrono.

Foxthemulder

Discussion Starter · #59 · Mar 15, 2022

Catalyzt said:
1) It is probably not healthy that I am asking this question, but is this likely to be a situation where the only practical way to get one of these is on preorder? The panda BB chronograph retro seems to have sold out very quickly, came and went before I heard much chatter about it.

2) I wonder how much higher the purchase price is likely to be when these are listed for sale?

3) We know the downpayment is $109, but can we make any guesses about what the final cost of the watch will be?

Seems like some of the preorders from other micros/Chinese brands were the only avenue to ownership. When the watches became available for regular sale, they sold out very quickly.

I know I'm asking folks to predict the future. If the answer is, "Get professional help," I'll schedule an appointment with my psychiatrist.

Once a year or so, he comes out with some great one liners. One was, "I'm so sorry, maybe I wasn't listening carefully enough, but what is it you like about this girl again?" (I had nothing. Stopped chasing her, met my wife a year later.)

When I told him about my watch issues, and how they related to death anxiety: "Buying time, are we?"

hahaha maan, we are all up there

I don't think you need to worry about them being out of stock that much, if they get loads of pre orders, they will surely make x3 of what they produce normally (the BB chrono listing completely vanished from the Taobao store as well).
The Explorer homage was very popular during the pre orders, and they made sure to produce enough to not go out of stock.
Regarding the price, it's 1860¥, which is the same price listed for the BB Chronograph (320$ if I remember) ...

I have to start ordering from Taobao ! Even the Seiko official store is much cheaper than the European dealers.

countingseconds

· #60 · Mar 16, 2022

Chronopolis said:
I like the idea, given the "situation."
By which I mean, I think they were forced to make this "option" available.

I would like the brand I am buying from to have their logo done right to begin with: in a stylish manner that makes them special and unique.

This way, all the owners of that brand have / share that name in common.

Can ya imagine Omega or Rolex offering this DIY logo service?
Shudder.

Interesting. That's the part that I appreciate most about San Martin. It allowed me to personalize my children's watches that they will get when they turn 18. How cool is to have your dad's watch that he's been wearing all your childhood? Some people prefer to have rolex on the dial and some engraving hidden on the back side. I think something that is designed and personalized by me would mean more to my children.

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