[curiousMan]

here is another one WIS watch - now from AsAnAtheist, with his disclosure: "dial was cleaned by me, however it was not marred any further than it already is."

The watch itself (photo linked from WUS member mars08)

Details here - I would let the owner to comment, he knows all about it

 

[AsAnAtheist]

Thank you very much for the pictures. I've observed all of this already on my microscope, I just can't find a good picture capturing. They look... terrible to say the least.

It's not a bad watch for $80, considering it's vintage. I wouldn't doubt if something like this, with a manual milling machine would easily sell for several hundreds.

If you like it and want it Martin, go ahead and keep it.
I have no use for it, turned out too small for me and not my cup of tea.
Besides you deserve it with these Microscopic examinations.

 

[Ric Capucho]

Somebody popped that dab of red paint or resin in with the tip of a pin. Manually, and then went home to eat with his/her family.

If only for this picture, I think you should keep it. Or give it to Martin for what it is. A worthy piece of Chinese beauty, and therefore a worthy gift.

I love this watch.

Ric

 

[DPflaumer]

Honestly I was expecting much worse.

Kind of a shocking number of threads (hairs?) in there though...

 

[skywatch]

That's a generous offer, AsAnAtheist... I think Martin is doing us a great service with these threads. The ST5 is such a solid, simple workhorse movement, and although hand-assembled on the cheap, I think it looks pretty good for a humble 40 year old budget watch. Except for the bits of fuzz and/or metal filings, which could have shown up after a service, it doesn't look much worse than that brand new Zenith!

 

[curiousMan]

Thank you very much for the pictures. I've observed all of this already on my microscope, I just can't find a good picture capturing. They look... terrible to say the least.

It's not a bad watch for $80, considering it's vintage. I wouldn't doubt if something like this, with a manual milling machine would easily sell for several hundreds.

If you like it and want it Martin, go ahead and keep it.
I have no use for it, turned out too small for me and not my cup of tea.
Besides you deserve it with these Microscopic examinations.

Thank you very much, Luis! I'll try to puff it a bit, it's a lovely watch!

Now I wish you send me your Rolex too

Martin

 

[AsAnAtheist]

Thank you very much, Luis! I'll try to puff it a bit, it's a lovely watch!

Now I wish you send me your Rolex too

Martin

You are welcome, you more than deserve it. PS: Sorry for the crappy band, it was something I put it on it from Walmart just to get by while I looked for a good lizard or alligator band, except I never got around to that since it was too small for me.

Don't have one, and if I did, It would be sold, and I would instead have a 8500 caliber Omega Deville.

Luis

 

[gagnello]

Another great addition from Curiousman! not bad for vintage and 80 bucks. Is it just me or is the dial crooked in the first picture?

 

[Ric Capucho]

Another great addition from Curiousman! not bad for vintage and 80 bucks. Is it just me or is the dial crooked in the first picture?

The dial's perfectly straight. It's the case and hands that're crooked.

Ric

 

[Scottish Steve]

No no no no no no no no no no no no no!
CuriousMan, I am as you know, a strong supporter of this series and your hard work but including this particular Sea Gull is wrong!
Please delete this thread and wait until you can get a newly produced M222S or similar from a member.
There is so much anti-Chinese prejudice on this forum and including an old, badly cared-for Sea Gull simply plays into this.

Having looked at many Sea Gull models in several Sea Gull boutiques, I can tell you 100% that nothing even remotely like this is being sold direct by Sea Gull anymore. It's the equivalent of doing a car series with a brand new Weissman MF3, Lamborghini Gallardo and 30 year old Nissan Z car which the 12th owner had attacke with cataloy.

Wrong!

 

[curiousMan]

No no no no no no no no no no no no no!
CuriousMan, I am as you know, a strong supporter of this series and your hard work but including this particular Sea Gull is wrong!
Please delete this thread and wait until you can get a newly produced M222S or similar from a member.
There is so much anti-Chinese prejudice on this forum and including an old, badly cared-for Sea Gull simply plays into this.

Having looked at many Sea Gull models in several Sea Gull boutiques, I can tell you 100% that nothing even remotely like this is being sold direct by Sea Gull anymore. It's the equivalent of doing a car series with a brand new Weissman MF3, Lamborghini Gallardo and 30 year old Nissan Z car which the 12th owner had attacke with cataloy.

Wrong!

Steve, this is what it is - one watch under the microscope! This one is obviously not a new piece and I think we can all learn to look for various details, to train our eyes so to speak. Next time we pick another piece at AD we might pull a loupe from the pocket, knowing where to look

However, if you have anything you want to submit for such exam - PM me, and we can arrange it, with full disclosure, no problem.

More we see, well, more we know.

 

[jtstav]

No no no no no no no no no no no no no!
CuriousMan, I am as you know, a strong supporter of this series and your hard work but including this particular Sea Gull is wrong!
Please delete this thread and wait until you can get a newly produced M222S or similar from a member.
There is so much anti-Chinese prejudice on this forum and including an old, badly cared-for Sea Gull simply plays into this.

Having looked at many Sea Gull models in several Sea Gull boutiques, I can tell you 100% that nothing even remotely like this is being sold direct by Sea Gull anymore. It's the equivalent of doing a car series with a brand new Weissman MF3, Lamborghini Gallardo and 30 year old Nissan Z car which the 12th owner had attacke with cataloy.

Wrong!

This thread shouldn't take away any respect for Chinese brands. If anything it stands as a testament for their quality. The ST5 is still going strong after all these years. Sure the dial and hands may not be perfect anymore, but thats to be expected of a watch this old. Over the years I've actually grown to respect many Chinese brands as well made.

Thanks again for a great thread Martin! They're alot of fun to read as always. I might have to put some money aside and find one of these Seagull's on the bay soon. I've been needing to add an ST5 to my collection ever since I got interested in the new CMW 2013 project watch.

 

[Auston Horst]

Another very interesting thread, I too am very much enjoying the series. No need to sweep anything under the rug, let's leave that to the politicians.

 

[mpalmer]

This is an old beat up watch, I'd like to see you look at something from Seagull's new offerings. I think some of their nicer dress offerings are gorgeous, I'd like to see what the microscope says.

 

[AsAnAtheist]

This thread shouldn't take away any respect for Chinese brands. If anything it stands as a testament for their quality. The ST5 is still going strong after all these years. Sure the dial and hands may not be perfect anymore, but thats to be expected of a watch this old. Over the years I've actually grown to respect many Chinese brands as well made.

Thanks again for a great thread Martin! They're alot of fun to read as always. I might have to put some money aside and find one of these Seagull's on the bay soon. I've been needing to add an ST5 to my collection ever since I got interested in the new CMW 2013 project watch.

Correctly stated. Posts like the ones beforehand are the reason I do not frequent these forums. The negativity, and at times the resilience to unbiased truth is quite frankly... Nevermind.
I find the negativity in many Chinese collectors, or lovers to be quite baffling, almost as if they have to shield China's horology from the world because it's hideous when it is not. Anytime comparisons are made, they are quick to point of differences and how it isn't a fair playing ground. Stop belitting what you do not even understand.

I think it's quite beautiful what China's horology has done and will do.

PS: This is hardly a beaten up watch, and I think people have the intelligence to discern between new and decades old.

Anyways back to my other hobbies.

 

[Scottish Steve]

.....Stop belitting what you do not even understand.

This is hilarious!

 

[Unikagen]

I find the negativity in many Chinese collectors, or lovers to be quite baffling, almost as if they have to shield China's horology from the world because it's hideous when it is not.

I don't recognise this statement at all here on WuS. If anything, most Chinese watch collectors recognise the value in Chinese horology. They even boast about it! For example, F72 has threads like this: https://www.watchuseek.com/f72/how-do-seagull-hangzhou-compare-eta-depth-look-216945.html

 

[AsAnAtheist]

This is hilarious!

Very hilarious, thank you for providing great public content and responsibly using a forum which thousands of people will see. Very helpful.
Hopefully the pictures stay up.

I don't recognise this statement at all here on WuS. If anything, most Chinese watch collectors recognise the value in Chinese horology. They even boast about it! For example, F72 has threads like this: https://www.watchuseek.com/f72/how-do-seagull-hangzhou-compare-eta-depth-look-216945.html

I don't recognise this statement at all here on WuS. If anything, most Chinese watch collectors recognise the value in Chinese horology. They even boast about it! For example, F72 has threads like this: https://www.watchuseek.com/f72/how-do-seagull-hangzhou-compare-eta-depth-look-216945.html

Meant to say some, not most.
Not going to get into it, it's off topic in this thread.

 

[arktika1148]

The gear teeth rubies are almost pristine, nos movements may be out there afterall
For an unused 40'ish a small amount of rust/marks would be expected if stored.
Bit concerned about the hairs/swarf though
As for the dial and hands, there are about 150 going spare on the 2013 project, could be worth a pm
Many thanks to the two of you for posting the legend. It would be interesting to see the factory refurbs. next year

 

[zippofan]

It is what it is. I appreciate the microscopic photos for showing the watch, and make no judgements other than what I see.

A number of years ago an article was posted by Walt Odets over on TimeZone regarding the servicing of an old Russian movement Cornavin Dolphin. Even though the watch was a poorly treated mess, it still kept good time and satisfied the owner.

Jessica's Cornavin Dolphin - TimeZone

Mr. Odets also wrote an article regarding a new Rolex Explorer and was not impressed by what he saw, including sloppy oiling and brass swarf in the movement. When the articles were written, the Explorer retailed for 2.5K, the above mentioned Cornavin went for one dollar.

I read those articles when I was actively pursuing my hobby in watchmaking. Since then I have learned to appreciate the watch, regardless of what name is on the dial or on the movement. The whole point of F71 is just that, to find, discuss and appreciate watches that represent value for the money, regardless of cost and point of origin. That is why Timex and Rolex co-exist on this forum and will continue to do so, unless our host requires otherwise.

I suggest that we avoid any discussion beyond the above, including any political or social commentary. I dislike snobbery of any kind, and I believe we are fortunate on this forum to have a majority of members who feel the same.

Thank you Martin for providing the very interesting micro-photographs.

Zippofan
Affordables Forum Co-Moderator