Seiko Diver’s 1965 Modern Re-Interpretation SPB143J1 / SPB145J1 / SPB147J1 / SPB149J1

Re: Seiko Diver's 1965 Modern Re-Interpretation SPB143J1 / SPB147J1 / SPB149J1

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Re: Seiko Diver's 1965 Modern Re-Interpretation SPB143J1 / SPB147J1 / SPB149J1

I was just wondering about the case shape and dimensions of these versus the SLA017, the diameter is slightly bigger (40.5mm vs 39.9mm for the SLA017), but not to be noticeable. Nearly a millimetre thinner than the SLA017 and pretty much the same lug to lug distance. There is the addition of a beveled edge along the case, which looks to soften it in comparison to the SLA017, which appears almost brutally slab sided (in a handsome way!). What concerns me, now the initial child-like excitement has passed, is that the bezel looks quite thick (I think someone already said this.....) and I'm wondering if this will unbalance the look......

Re: Seiko Diver's 1965 Modern Re-Interpretation SPB143J1 / SPB147J1 / SPB149J1

boatswain said:

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The SPB145 exists as well! That looks very similar to the 143, because the 143 is a charcoal grey which has a hint of brown in it as well, but has a brown dial and "vintage-look" faux-patinated lume instead of green lume. It's hard to tell he difference from the dial colour, it's easy to get them mixed up, so it's easier to tell from the lume colour difference. It's different to the golden-brown dial of the 147, it's closer to the 143's dial in shade.

Tickstart said:

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I'm not Polish, I don't have that many jczwcjyz's in my name!

Thanks you ! I think i like all of them.
Seiko has made a jump in every fields comparing to others brands and filled the gap for watches around 1000 - 1500 usd.

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59yukon01 said:

There will have to be proof the 6r35 is MUCH improved over the 6r15, and I'm not talking about 20 more hours of PR, which is worthless to me. If it's not more consistent I'm not wasting a penny on anymore watches with a 6r movement.

After owning/having 7 of those irratic bastards I'm done, and no way I'd spend over $700 for one.

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I'm kinda with ya on this. I've owned many 4Rs and 6Rs and they're all the same...really REALLY inconsistent positional variances. There's no point getting excited when it's reading within COSC specs while dial up on the timegrapher. Flip it dial down and you'll end up losing over 50 degrees amplitude and it'll be running at like -20 or +20 sec. The only Seiko I've ever had that has exceptional positional variance is my MM300, but that has the 8L35 movement.

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GEO_79 said:

My new black alpinist with 6r35 is +3\24h ;but I think it will get better cos I just got the watch.

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You're lucky. Mine was running nowhere close to that, and barely within Seiko's specs.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

You're lucky. Mine was running nowhere close to that, and barely within Seiko's specs.

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You need to wait a week or two to settle,to spread the oils inside the movement.

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GEO_79 said:

You need to wait a week or two to settle,to spread the oils inside the movement.

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Almost a month after receiving it was still running the same.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

Almost a month after receiving it was still running the same.

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How do you check your watch accuracy?

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GEO_79 said:

How do you check your watch accuracy?

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I take the mean average of six positions (on the time grapher), but then I bounce that off of the daily average while on wrist. It's usually pretty close...within a couple seconds at most.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

I take the mean average of six positions (on the time grapher), but then I bounce that off of the daily average while on wrist. It's usually pretty close...within a couple seconds at most.

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Most of the time I keep my watch on the wrist and I check the accuracy after a quartz watch or an atomic clock. I also wind up my watch 30-40 times before I put it on the wrist.

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GEO_79 said:

I keep my watch always on the wrist and I check his accuracy after a quartz watch or an atomic clock. I also wind up my watch 30-40 times before I put it on the wrist.

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My whole point is on most Swiss, ETA, Sellita movements I've owned, the positional variance has been fairly good...I'd say within 10 seconds of each other, tops. On the other hand, I've had many Seikos that ran 0-5 sec/day dial up, but then ran + or - 20 sec/day or more in another position. That positional variance just goes to show how unregulated and unreliable a lot of Seiko movements are.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

My whole point is on most Swiss, ETA, Sellita movements I've owned, the positional variance has been fairly good...I'd say within 10 seconds of each other, tops. On the other hand, I've had many Seikos that ran 0-5 sec/day dial up, but then ran + or - 20 sec/day or more in another position. That positional variance just goes to show how unregulated and unreliable a lot of Seiko movements are.

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My experience with Seiko movements is very good, as good as my Rolex watches. Al my Seiko's have COSC accuracy.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

My whole point is on most Swiss, ETA, Sellita movements I've owned, the positional variance has been fairly good...I'd say within 10 seconds of each other, tops. On the other hand, I've had many Seikos that ran 0-5 sec/day dial up, but then ran + or - 20 sec/day or more in another position. That positional variance just goes to show how unregulated and unreliable a lot of Seiko movements are.

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Agree with you on ETA movements, as for Seikos, my experience is the 7S/4R/6R movements have quite a bit of variance, but the 8L and GS movements I've had have been very consistent. In my experience, the 8L movements have better positional variance than ETA movements.

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aalin13 said:

Agree with you on ETA movements, as for Seikos, my experience is the 7S/4R/6R movements have quite a bit of variance, but the 8L and GS movements I've had have been very consistent. In my experience, the 8L movements have better positional variance than ETA movements.

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Absolutely agree. GS movements are outstanding, and my 8L is +8 sec/day regardless of what position it's in.

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Watch_it_Captain said:

Absolutely agree. GS movements are outstanding, and my 8L is +8 sec/day regardless of what position it's in.

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GS movements are adjusted in 6 positions to a static accuracy that is comparable to COSC. Of course they are excellent.

The 8L movements are unadjusted. Anecdotally they are better than the 7S family, but I would say they aren't really any better than mid-grade (elabore) ETA in terms of overall performance. Considering the prices Seiko sells watches using the 8Ls for these days, they underperform the competition. The cheapest 8L you can get is the SBDX023 MM300 that goes for $2800-$3000. The various LEs that use it are $4000+. For that kind of money, you can easily find a chronometer grade Swiss watch, or at least a top grade.

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MX793 said:

GS movements are adjusted in 6 positions to a static accuracy that is comparable to COSC. Of course they are excellent.

The 8L movements are unadjusted. Anecdotally they are better than the 7S family, but I would say they aren't really any better than mid-grade (elabore) ETA in terms of overall performance. Considering the prices Seiko sells watches using the 8Ls for these days, they underperform the competition. The cheapest 8L you can get is the SBDX023 MM300 that goes for $2800-$3000. The various LEs that use it are $4000+. For that kind of money, you can easily find a chronometer grade Swiss watch, or at least a top grade.

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Yeah, Seiko needs to step up their game with regards to their movement accuracy.

I like the 14x series dimensions and softer case shape personally. The case looks more modern and refined as is natural for this series as modern look at the 62MAS.

I imagine the broader bezel and compact dial will make these appear like 38 or 39mm on the wrist, which I personally really like.

If I was tweaking the design to my ideal tastes I would have the bezel triangle have a broader base like the MM300s and add a frame on the date window. But really this hits a lot of marks for me and is closer to my ideal seiko diver than any others I’ve seen.