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Chascomm,

Good post as usual; Cutmore asked the Soviet industries directly but failed to ask Sekonda UK and that led to erroneous conclusions: the Russians were apparently trying to answer his questions on Sekonda UK's behalf so the answers he got was extrapolated to cover what he believed was the activities of Sekonda UK.

At an old thread several years ago, a Sekonda UK model surfaced which turned out to be built in Hong Kong but powered by a West German quartz movement and HK-built case parts; Sekonda UK would have left it to the HK OEM's discretion to pick the most appropriate movement for this watch. The owners of the Sekonda brand in Russian would have had no say in this at all, so the best they could do was to tell Cutmore - on Sekonda UK's behalf - that they used European movements just to cover all the bases.

By the way: while a watch like this is not at all Russian I think I can consider it as an "honourary", so to speak. It is a little frustrating that very few eBay UK sellers include movement pictures in their listings, most of them appear to be individuals disposing of their surplus stuff anyway, so they might not be watch nuts and aware of the fact that a movement picture would be of benefit.
 

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Our trade mark specialist has brought to our attention the significant discussion taking place around Sekonda. The postings of Aviator 3133 of September 2011 and of Sekondtime in September 2010 largely cover the story but a few bullet points should clarify the position.

1. There are indeed two registrations for the Sekonda trade mark – one in Russia and one for the rest of the world held by Time Products (UK) Ltd/Elco. Both parties develop their businesses working closely with each other. The reason for the dual registration has, I’m sorry to say, to remain confidential but we do love each other!!

2. We have not, for as long as anyone alive remembers, made watches in Switzerland. Watch this space.

3. Chasprom was the company that coordinated the supply of Sekonda products for us for the UK from various different factories.

4. Sekonda has never been a “front” for selling Russian brands (thank you Aviator 3133!). All the watches were designed in partnership with the Sekonda name on the dial but were supplied for us by many different suppliers some of which Starman 66 has named.

5. On the subject of spare parts and Southern watch, there is a simple explanation. The boss of Southern was a mate of the former Chairman of Time Products and Southern imported many, many spare parts for many different applications. Frankly, they got better prices than we did!! Southerns was taken over by our group, we think in the eighties.


Now guys, please don’t bombard me with further questions as I have a business to run!

Thanks very much, though, for taking such an interest. Respect!
 

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Thanks for that excellent coverage of the Sekonda story. I will simply add the following couple of points:

- My understanding is that the 'Sekonda' brand was originally created by ChasProm (the Soviet timepiece industry agency) in partnership with a British company. (If I'm wrong about this I am happy to be corrected)
- Sekonda 'paddle-hand Strela' chronographs were given as official gifts several months before the 1966 launch of the brand in Britain. (reported on this forum several years ago)
- It was within 18 months of the end of the USSR that Sekonda UK stopped sourcing any watches from Russia or Belarus.
- 'Sekonda'-branded Russian watches have continued to be available in Russia, from Poljot and Slava, right up until recently. Many of these may simply be unsold stock, but clearly that is not the case with Solod's stock of modern designs with Japanese movements.

Based on all of that, I would guess (and this is just a guess) that the manufacturers formerly under ChasProm direction retained rights to the Sekonda brand for the Russian market even after the British company cut all ties with Russia.

This one is surely the prize of the lot:

An undeniably post-Soviet Sekonda 3133 chronograph.
What do you think of mine that I just received? Seller's photo. It has a gold tone case and a Tachymeter on the edge. Is this Russian, UK or what?

 

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What do you think of mine that I just received? Seller's photo. It has a gold tone case and a Tachymeter on the edge. Is this Russian, UK or what?

It's good. A 'standard issue' Poljot Chrongraph 3133 with gold tone case and hands (gold plated?). Looks good to me.
 

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It is marked 'RUSSIA' below 6 o'clock, so it is post-Soviet model, probably for the UK market. Which would place it around 1992/93. However it is possible that this may have been one of the continuing models for the domestic market produced after that. I think that is the less likely scenario, unless somebody has some catalogue evidence.
 

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