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I would like for the members to post pictures of their Elgin BW Raymond watches, to show the variety. The BW Raymond was a model offered from Elgin all the way from the start of the company, the very first watch was a BW Raymond with serial number 101 in 1867, and it was also among the last produced in the 1950'ies with grade 571. The model name comes from Elgin's first president Benjamin Wright Raymond, a former mayor of Chicago. It has been said that all BW Raymond were railroad grade when they first were produced, this may not be true for the 12s versions and later hunter case versions but the rest were pure railroad material.


I will start with my 23j 16s grade 540 of serial number 39948115. This grade was only produced between 1937 and 1940, with total production of 10,000 units. The watch is in an original Keystone J. Boss 10K goldfilled Streamline case, but I believe the bow and crown is not correct to the case.


 

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I was wondering, what does the "motor barrel" do?
An arrangement of the mainspring barrel in which the barrel is turned to wind the watch, and the barrel arbor turns as the watch runs down. This has the advantage that the barrel only has to turn when the watch is being wound, which allows the use of a longer mainspring, and there is also less chance of doing damage to the watch if the mainspring breaks.
 

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Here is a differnt kind of BW Raymond a GCT master navigation watch from WW2.



Elgin had two type's the A-13 and this one AN5740.The movement they used was a BW Raymond,size 16,grade 581,22 jewel.Now if you look at the movement you will see 21 jewel they had to be making these in a hurry do to the war.If you see later one's you will see 22 jewel on the movement.The serial no on this one is 41754171 made in 1942.Now you wonder were is the 22 jewel is the sweep second hand shaft has a jewel bearing in the rear plate.And the watch hack's that is when you pull the stem up it stop's the second hand.
 

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Here is another B.W. Raymond.


This one has a wind indicator that tell's you when to wind it.16 size,in a style no.39 ca.1923 gold filled case,21 jewel,lever set,adjusted to five positions,serial no.28965336 made in 1925,montgomery dial,grade 472.
 

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There you go, Mike, I was waiting for your wind indicator. :-!
Hopefully we can have some representatives of 18s and the last of the lot, the 16s 571 also in this thread?
 

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My B. W. Raymonds:

1- model 240, 1899, size 18, 19 jewels

2- model 180, 1903, size 18, 17 jewels

3- model 455, 1920, size 16, 19 jewels

4- model 478, 1923, size 16, 21 jewels

5- model 571, 1950, size 16, 21 jewels
 

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Here is my last BW Raymond.


This is a Model 472 with invarbalance,16 size,lever set,21 jewel,adjusted to 5 position,serial no 26819569 made in 1923.I was having problems with this one the invarbalance model's have a differnt type pallet fork it shaped like a running man it some how got bent the watch maker could not find one I looked for one could not find one.He some how got it back in shape it was in the shop for 4-6 months works great now.Now there must be a few more member's with a BW Raymond.
 

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Now this is starting to become a nice forum reference post whenever you need a pictorial quick check on a B.W. Raymond. But for sure, there must be more than three members having such a watch? With Mike and Ron having contributed the most, I would like to ask our other members to play as well. Let's see your BWR!
 

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I wish I could add to this but after I picked up my Howard Series 11 I've gone back to wristwatch collecting. Someday!
 

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My Daily carry a 1926 Triple signed B.W. Raymond 478 in a B.W. Raymond case by Wadsworth. I love this case, but cannot find a model number. Elgin watchman says these were limited design from 1927 to 1933. I have only found one other B.W. Raymond Case like this, and I bought it with a slow running 478 and B.W. Raymond signed Boxcar dial. I'll post pics after it gets back from the cleaners.
 

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I'm not an Elgin guy, but this is one of two BW Raymonds I've held on to.

 

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Here is an early B.W. Raymond grade 70 "transitional" watch, c. 1878. This watch has both key and stem winding mechanism; that's what I mean by "transitional." Later versions of the grade 70 movement only have stem wind. This watch is a conventional pull-out lever set; as I understand it, earlier versions of this grade have a less common "sliding" lever setting mechanism.

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