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I love all the activity on this exciting project!! congrats to everyone:-!

Although I think all the suggestions so far have been awesome my gut tells me we may be moving a little far off the mark with some of the current ideas. I hate to be a broken record as I've pointed this out before but someone really should inquire exactly what sinn will and wont allow while we're still in the planning stages. For instance using an EZM case to create a non quartz, non chronograph watch with some sort of custom dial and hands will essentially create an entirely new watch instead of a basic LE of an existing model. IMHO I just don't think sinn will go for that. As far as I know we asked sinn if we could make a LE U1 and they said "sure"...creating a whole new watch may not be what they had in mind.

Don't get me wrong...I'd love it if the sky was the limit and I hope it is!! ;-) but we should ask sinn first before muddying the waters with lots of new options that may not even be available to us, and worse will disappoint and frustrate folks if sinn later says "no" and we have to start from scratch. I've been involved in a few other forum created watch projects and seen them fizzle out over trivial setbacks, let's keep the momentum going on this sinn LE!!|>

Along with an EZM case option a few other simple questions should include if we are limited by a specific type of lume?? I know there has been a growing C3 vs BGW9 debate and folks seem to hold the issue of lume close to their hearts making it a small but very important point. Whatever we decide here may make no difference as sinn may simply not allow us to switch from whatever lume they currently use. This simple issue could greatly affect peoples votes on dial and hand color (or for that matter using a fully lumed dial in the first place) since different lumes create different tones. In addition it's been suggested but not made clear what limitations we would have on using a white lumed dial since it's already been used on a LE, how much different would ours need to be?? Also, the possibility of using an arktis dial was tossed out early on and is still worth exploring (is the "arktis blue" exclusive to the arktis watch?) along with a simple yes/no confirmation as to whether we will be allowed to change crown position on a U1??

Is there someone at sinn we can get in touch with just to quickly clear up some of these points?? I think it would be a great help and invaluable in the design process in addition to giving us a road map to keep us on course.

IMHO it's prudent to take care of these facts first with sinn before proceeding.
What does everyone think???
 

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Absolutely agree. We are starting to get VERY unorganized with the sheer amount of different ideas being tossed around (which is great, don't get me wrong, but its getting overwhelming which can doom a project like this). I think we need to set some steadfast boundaries and figuring out what Sinn can and can't do is a great way to accomplish that.
 

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My ideal WUS watch would be the EZM3 case

(if titanium, I would love it) but with a Domed crystal, which the EZM3 does not have, and a clean dial a-la EZM1.

The idea of a circle W instead of the circle 3h or Ar is a subtle nod to the group, and of course, you can go wild with the caseback.

OR a PVD'd EZM3 with a custom dial.

Yeah. PVD good.

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Re: My ideal WUS watch would be the EZM3 case

(if titanium, I would love it) but with a Domed crystal, which the EZM3 does not have, and a clean dial a-la EZM1.

The idea of a circle W instead of the circle 3h or Ar is a subtle nod to the group, and of course, you can go wild with the caseback.

OR a PVD'd EZM3 with a custom dial.

Yeah. PVD good.

Rafael T
This is exactly why we need to set some boundaries with Sinn, asap. :-d
 

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Re: My ideal WUS watch would be the EZM3 case

Oh and another boundary we really need to set which would throw many ideas out the window is budget. Maybe we should make a poll.
 

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Allow me to address some of your concerns:

I love all the activity on this exciting project!! congrats to everyone:-!
Ditto...we couldn't be happier with the participation thus far. |>|>

Although I think all the suggestions so far have been awesome my gut tells me we may be moving a little far off the mark with some of the current ideas. I hate to be a broken record as I've pointed this out before but someone really should inquire exactly what sinn will and wont allow while we're still in the planning stages. For instance using an EZM case to create a non quartz, non chronograph watch with some sort of custom dial and hands will essentially create an entirely new watch instead of a basic LE of an existing model. IMHO I just don't think sinn will go for that. As far as I know we asked sinn if we could make a LE U1 and they said "sure"...creating a whole new watch may not be what they had in mind.
That someone is me and Ernie. We've already talked to Sinn (face to face), and while it would be impossible to address every conceivable combination, I think we've succeeded in establishing some basic ground rules.

Don't get me wrong...I'd love it if the sky was the limit and I hope it is!! ;-) but we should ask sinn first before muddying the waters with lots of new options that may not even be available to us, and worse will disappoint and frustrate folks if sinn later says "no" and we have to start from scratch. I've been involved in a few other forum created watch projects and seen them fizzle out over trivial setbacks, let's keep the momentum going on this sinn LE!!|>
I've articulated some ground rules in previous threads and if you need clarification on anything feel free to ask me.

Along with an EZM case option a few other simple questions should include if we are limited by a specific type of lume?? I know there has been a growing C3 vs BGW9 debate and folks seem to hold the issue of lume close to their hearts making it a small but very important point. Whatever we decide here may make no difference as sinn may simply not allow us to switch from whatever lume they currently use. This simple issue could greatly affect peoples votes on dial and hand color (or for that matter using a fully lumed dial in the first place) since different lumes create different tones. In addition it's been suggested but not made clear what limitations we would have on using a white lumed dial since it's already been used on a LE, how much different would ours need to be?? Also, the possibility of using an arktis dial was tossed out early on and is still worth exploring (is the "arktis blue" exclusive to the arktis watch?) along with a simple yes/no confirmation as to whether we will be allowed to change crown position on a U1??
The agreement with Sinn is we present our primary design with a few alternate versions and they tell us if it's do-able and at what price. I know that we'll not get 100% buy-in with any final design, and I'm fine with that. I can live with a 90% solution knowing that I have a unique watch that I helped create and only 49 of my fellow WUS friends will have one.

Is there someone at sinn we can get in touch with just to quickly clear up some of these points?? I think it would be a great help and invaluable in the design process in addition to giving us a road map to keep us on course.
Allow me to once again make something abundantly clear; Ernie and I are the single points of contact with Sinn for this project. Sinn does not want to dampen our creativity and are open to most any suggestion. If we are too far out in left field they'll tell us and we'll fine tune our design.

IMHO it's prudent to take care of these facts first with sinn before proceeding.
What does everyone think???
I would be remiss if I didn't say here and now that if anyone tries to go directly to Sinn in regards to this project two things will happen: 1) Sinn will not address your questions, and 2) the project will be terminated.

Now let's get back to designing our watch! :-!
 

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I've articulated some ground rules in previous threads and if you need clarification on anything feel free to ask me.
well ummm..actually yes please do. I've looked through all the threads and honestly don't see any guidelines or ground rules. It doesn't seem like anyone else does either. What are these?? Can we actually design anything???





Allow me to once again make something abundantly clear; Ernie and I are the single points of contact with Sinn for this project. Sinn does not want to dampen our creativity and are open to most any suggestion. If we are too far out in left field they'll tell us and we'll fine tune our design.

I would be remiss if I didn't say here and now that if anyone tries to go directly to Sinn in regards to this project two things will happen: 1) Sinn will not address your questions, and 2) the project will be terminated.
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okay...I don't think I was implying that we start firing off half baked questions to sinn independently or that anyone would get the impression to do so. As you say "if we are too far out in left field they will tell us"...so the question remains where is left field? Isn't it better if we know a few simple parameters now? I don't see why it would hurt to ask a few brief questions or why this would be a bother to sinn. Giving us some simple guidelines wouldn't dampen our progress but boost it. It's not just an issue of friendly public relations on sinn's part. The final business aspect of what we are discussing is a guaranteed order to sinn of 30-50 watches which most likely will fall into the $1500-$2500 price range during bad economic times. I've run numerous small businesses and know if someone came to me with a potential guaranteed $50K+ order I wouldn't be hesitant to help however I could and wouldn't find it a bother. This just seems like common sense :think:
 

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OK. I know I've come late to the party, but I think I can add to the discussion

not only because I have been involved in quite a few of these types of projects, but also because I am a designer, myself.

That said, I'll say that I understand that Mr. SMSgt is the lead in this project, and that I am sure he has a few specific ideas in mind.

However, since he needs at least 50 watches to be produced, the final design has to be one that accomplishes that production run.

Once the polls run their course we will have a clearer picture of what the majority of the people is looking for in the watch.

OK.

What we need to pin down, as soon as possible, I think, is the budget for the project.

The other thing I think is crucial before continuing the discussion is whether we'd like the U1 case or the EZM3 case. This will help Mr. SMSgt in his talks with Sinn regarding the different possibilities for the project.

I vote for the EZM3 case, but it is not a deal-breaker for me.

I'd like a PVD'd case.

And I am not interested in a fully-lumed dial.

A colored dial is a good, simple way to differentiate this watch from other Sinns. Imagine how cool it would be to run into another WUS member and recognize him (or her) by the special-colored dial of the watch.

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Re: OK. I know I've come late to the party, but I think I can add to the discussion

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Re: OK. I know I've come late to the party, but I think I can add to the discussion

The major component is a fully lumed dial.
Also, the majority seem to want a standard steel colour, not SDR or full PVD.
I would agree - for me the major reason for wanting this watch would be the full lumed dial. If not, then I could be just as happy with a number of standard Sinn offerings.

I would prefer the standard steel color - no PVD anywhere. However, that's not a deal breaker like not having full lume would be. However, what would be useful to know is some sort of ball park pricing for various options we're considering.
 

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Re: OK. I know I've come late to the party, but I think I can add to the discussion

have we set the time frame i.e to collect the needed data and to come out with a propose design.
 

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well ummm..actually yes please do. I've looked through all the threads and honestly don't see any guidelines or ground rules. It doesn't seem like anyone else does either. What are these?? Can we actually design anything???

okay...I don't think I was implying that we start firing off half baked questions to sinn independently or that anyone would get the impression to do so. As you say "if we are too far out in left field they will tell us"...so the question remains where is left field? Isn't it better if we know a few simple parameters now? I don't see why it would hurt to ask a few brief questions or why this would be a bother to sinn. Giving us some simple guidelines wouldn't dampen our progress but boost it. It's not just an issue of friendly public relations on sinn's part. The final business aspect of what we are discussing is a guaranteed order to sinn of 30-50 watches which most likely will fall into the $1500-$2500 price range during bad economic times. I've run numerous small businesses and know if someone came to me with a potential guaranteed $50K+ order I wouldn't be hesitant to help however I could and wouldn't find it a bother. This just seems like common sense :think:
I don't mean to be difficult but please keep in mind there is a large number of WUS members in general, and Sinners in particular who are not native English speakers. This is to the benefit of WUS as we can enjoy different perspectives in our shared interests. Unfortunately at times miscommunications occur when comments are taken literally. Where you and I know what your intent was, your following statements left a lot of room for interpretation:

...I hate to be a broken record as I've pointed this out before but someone really should inquire exactly what sinn will and wont allow while we're still in the planning stages...

I'd love it if the sky was the limit and I hope it is!! ;-) but we should ask sinn first before muddying the waters...

Is there someone at sinn we can get in touch with just to quickly clear up some of these points?? I think it would be a great help and invaluable in the design process in addition to giving us a road map to keep us on course...

IMHO it's prudent to take care of these facts first with sinn before proceeding. What does everyone think???
If I were a lean-forward kind of guy with basic English language skills I may literally interpret those comments as "he's looking for a volunteer!". So please try to keep this in the back of your mind when you post what you think we should do.

The bottom line is Ernie has been kind to put his support (and his good name) behind this project and until a Moderator is named for this sub-forum I will do my best to keep the project on track and all dialog clear, concise and constructive.

Speaking of volunteers; would someone be interested in collecting specific questions for Sinn (via PM), compile a list and forward it to me? I want to properly present your questions all at once so we can clarify parameters while maintaining momentum of the project. Please PM me if you are interested.

Thanks!

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I agree, we already have a contact with Sinn and all questions should be addressed through those people. The last thing we want to have is a bunch of WUS guys calling Sinn and asking the same questions over and over, that for sure will make this project die really fast. Cudos to those in Sinn-WUS communication channels, and lets make sure all questions go through them.

And really, "Sky is not the limit anymore" :-d
 

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Speaking of volunteers; would someone be interested in collecting specific questions for Sinn (via PM), compile a list and forward it to me? I want to properly present your questions all at once so we can clarify parameters while maintaining momentum of the project. Please PM me if you are interested.

Thanks!

Bo
hey Bo

please PM me if this hasn't been done yet. I can sift through the threads and put some questions together. Getting a little feedback from sinn would be a great help in consolidating what our options are and focus the debate in a clear direction.
 

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hey Bo

please PM me if this hasn't been done yet. I can sift through the threads and put some questions together. Getting a little feedback from sinn would be a great help in consolidating what our options are and focus the debate in a clear direction.
Go for it Brother! No ones stepped up yet. :thanks
 

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One of the questions I have is whether Sinn can print on top of the lumed surface.
I am thinking of maybe a White Gloss print of most of the lettering, except the "Sinn".
Kind of similar to the "Made in Germany" Gloss black print on the Matt black dial.

When I look on the polls, I can see a clear tendency in the polls, or the prefernces of guys.
Once we have a couple of mockups, it will be easy to get a feel for the Designs, take a decision, and start finetuning it.
 
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