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I personally love the independent hour hand on the new PO. The watch can easily be used in different time zones without messing with the minutes hand. I love it. I agree its a pain to change the date but I unless there is a way to get both, I like it this way. It reminds me of my old 50th GMT and the Rx GMTII.
The switching time zones point is something I like. The date changing isn't. Bleh!
 

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I love that the Zenith Elite series of movements has a date mechanism which can be quickset both forward and backwards (advance/retard depending on the direction of crown wind), also the date snaps to the next number promptly at 12am in my two examples. However, I would have liked it to have a free-sprung balance (preferably with a Breguet overcoil) ... oh well, you gain some and lose some at that price range.

For all my lack of love for the date mechanism in the 8500, I'd still rather have it than not, but I'm sympathetic to the people who'd like a no date. It seems like a number of my favorite brands have mediocre (Grand Seiko automatics) to poor (Omega) to outright miserable (Nomos) date mechanisms for some reason. All three of them are using contemporary movements that have been updated within the last decade, and one of them is using an entirely new one...so I have no idea why there is such an oversight. Seems like Rolex has this contest tied up with its change-at-any-time-safely and flips over instantly at nearly exactly midnight. And this stuff actually really bothers me since I work late into the night several days a week and half the date stuck half way in there looking like it's broken.
 

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Most watches look better without the date, yet most watches include the date. I think this is largely because some people absolutely want the date, and these outnumber those who don't want the date (like me). Most do not have a strong enough feeling one way or another (or are too ill informed to know) that they won't accept one and will just buy one with the date. Of the five watches I own, four don't have the date, and one has a very discreet date. My two mini grails both don't have the date, so to me, sans date is a key part of appealing designs.
 

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Especially since the date mechanism on the 8500 kind of sucks (don't flame me, I bought the watch). Takes like an hour and a half to change over...just silly when you can get a $500 ETA based watch that has this all figured out.
In fairness to the 8500, I believe that's because it has a quickset main hour hand, and you can flip the date both forwards and backwards by adjusting the hour hand. The instantaneous date change is incompatible with dates that can change both forwards and backwards, and I assume the same is true of the Rolex GMT IIC.
 
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I do not think it will happen too soon. If you remember, the no date Railmaster, although much beloved by WIS, was a commercial fiasco.

When launching 8500, Omega also promised that in a couple of years will introduce two big date variants - it never happened, perhaps market research showed such variants are too niche.
 

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Especially since the date mechanism on the 8500 kind of sucks (don't flame me, I bought the watch). Takes like an hour and a half to change over...just silly when you can get a $500 ETA based watch that has this all figured out.
I have to agree, and it's the only issue I have with my SMP 300M
 

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And to the no date PO question, why not give the option. It will look better for sure. All dive watches look more balanced without a date. I do not believe people get the date because it looks cool. They need it.
I agree, it's better to have options. That's why I like the Submariner No Date a lot more than the one with date.
Designing a PO without date would be a great idea!

And yes, why would you want to know the date when you're 50 feet under water? ;-)
 

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In fairness to the 8500, I believe that's because it has a quickset main hour hand, and you can flip the date both forwards and backwards by adjusting the hour hand. The instantaneous date change is incompatible with dates that can change both forwards and backwards, and I assume the same is true of the Rolex GMT IIC.
Not true. The Rolex GMT date changes forwards and backwards when adjusting the hour hand, and also has the instantaneous date change.

Considering the price I paid for my PO Ti (similar to Rolex prices) I'd expect less laziness on Omega's part such as the black date wheel on blue dial and a slow date change.
 

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Agreed. I found this old pic of a photoshopped 2500. I like the 3 on the dial
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Hey, that photoshop is mine! b-)

I've also thought about a no-date PO and I'm pretty sure I'd swap the dial if possible.

Here is another photoshop from that old thread:

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Not true. The Rolex GMT date changes forwards and backwards when adjusting the hour hand, and also has the instantaneous date change.

Considering the price I paid for my PO Ti (similar to Rolex prices) I'd expect less laziness on Omega's part such as the black date wheel on blue dial and a slow date change.
I can confirm that the rolex solution is instantaneous even on gmts.
 

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The 8500 slow date change is especially interesting since not all 8500 versions have it. The annual calendar models have the instantaneous at midnight change although perhaps relating to mleoks theory it loses the independent hour hand as I recall. I have also tested this in real life. So it's not as if omega doesn't appreciate this or lacks the designs.
 

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I think the market for a date-less luxury dive watch (that isn't a Rolex) is pretty small. The only reason Rolex keeps the standard Sub in the line-up and makes the Sub Date as well, as that (fatted lugs aside) it's the same sort of watch as the original Sub, made continuously but updated from time to time. The Planet Ocean has design cues from the old 300, but is very much a new-generation watch, and those design cues have been out of production for 30 years or more.

I read somewhere that the Sub Date outsells its dateless brother something 8 or 10 to 1.
 

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The Planet Ocean has design cues from the old 300, but is very much a new-generation watch, and those design cues have been out of production for 30 years or more.

I read somewhere that the Sub Date outsells its dateless brother something 8 or 10 to 1.
I don't think not having a date feature is an out-dated design cue. Tons of watches, especially dress pieces, don't have a date function. Interesting about the Sub, though.
 

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I read somewhere that the Sub Date outsells its dateless brother something 8 or 10 to 1.
But that by itself doesn't always tell the whole story.
We all know that the price/value of the steel Daytona is kept in check by its limited supply.

Well, one of the ADs that I shop at that also stocks Rolex watches tells me that that they have to (well, had to as I was asking about the previous 14060M model back then) order in the no dates and that whenever there is a "spare" example in stock, it sells quicker than the others do or some other branch is asking for it. In short, if they had more, they would sell more.
 

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I look at my watch more for the date than for the time to be honest. The time is literally everywhere, cell phones, computers, cable boxes, stoves, microwaves, etc... it's almost impossible to not know the time just by existing. But the date is something that every now and again I just don't know until I look at my watch.
 

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Yeah this always seems strange to me.

"Better check how long I've been down here- oh crap it's Mom's birthday, I totally forgot, maybe there's time to send flowe--"

-air runs out-
I guess you have to take into account that 99.9% of people who own a Planet Ocean don't actually dive with their PO, even the ones who dive.
 

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I don't think not having a date feature is an out-dated design cue. Tons of watches, especially dress pieces, don't have a date function. Interesting about the Sub, though.
I think it's because the no-date Submariner doesn't appeal to those who are looking for instant brand recognition, since the cyclops is such an essential part of the Rolex public persona. When I was shopping for the new ceramic no date Submariner, more than one Rolex AD asked me why I would want that, since it doesn't have the "iconic" cyclops.

For me, I like the symmetry of the dial when it doesn't have a date aperture. These are some of the "no date" divers in my collection.




 

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I think it's because the no-date Submariner doesn't appeal to those who are looking for instant brand recognition, since the cyclops is such an essential part of the Rolex public persona. When I was shopping for the new ceramic no date Submariner, more than one Rolex AD asked me why I would want that, since it doesn't have the "iconic" cyclops.

For me, I like the symmetry of the dial when it doesn't have a date aperture. These are some of the "no date" divers in my collection.





Wow, very nice mleok! I'm with you and some of the others - love that clean look . . .
 

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Especially since the date mechanism on the 8500 kind of sucks (don't flame me, I bought the watch). Takes like an hour and a half to change over...just silly when you can get a $500 ETA based watch that has this all figured out.
What do you mean b this ?
 
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