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Steelfish Conundrum

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I'm hoping someone can help me solve this little problem I have with a Breitling Steelfish I recently bought on the Bay. The watch was advertised as having a blue dial, but when I opened the watch box, I couldn't believe my eyes. The watch had a grey dial. I thought I had made a mistake and had bought a watch different from the one I thought I was buying, and the grey dial didn't look bad, so figuring it was my mistake, I let it slide for a couple of days.

Then I decided to go back and re-read the description of the watch. I hadn't made a mistake. It said "blue dial." I sent a message to eBay to mediate the issue. I really wanted that blue dial. The seller sent me a message today: "Breitling didn't even make that model with a grey dial." I checked it out and it seems to be true, but the dial on my watch is unmistakably grey. Look at the pics and tell me I'm wrong.

Now the funny thing about this is that the chapter ring is blue but the dial grey. The seller said the watch had recently been serviced and polished. Could it be that the original blue was changed out for a grey one? I know. Breitling didn't even make a grey dial for this model. So what's going on? I want my money back, and he can have his watch back. This Steelfish does not have a blue dial.

Can anyone give me any feedback on this? Am I seeing grey where I should be seeing blue? Can you see the chapter ring in the pics? Maybe it's just me.

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I used to have this watch. I traded it for a SuperAvenger with my brother. But I can tell you that something is awry with your watch. Breitling only made a blue, a black, and a white dial on their SuperOceans at that time period. Even on SuperAvengers during that period ( 2005-2006 ?). So I would open a eBay resolution case to return the watch. But first contact the seller to ask for a refund.

Also, for watches I wouldn't spend the time and effort on eBay. Try watch recon which is more effective at searching for the model watch in different watch forums. These are at least by people whose reputation means more on the forum than trying to fill in a description and mixing up details to sell you a questionable watch. This is what I have done selling my lesser expensive watches to clean out my watch box.


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Having owned the watch before, it looks as if the dial has been damaged or faded. It COULD have been blue at some time. Not sure what you paid, but i would contact the seller and request remedy. I sell on Ebay and happily remedy mistakes I make. If they have feedback worth protecting, they should help you out.
Something is awry indeed. I feared that someone would say, "Are you colorblind? That's as blue as it gets." I just don't understand how there could be a grey dial on this watch since Breitling never made one. Is it possible that blue dials eventually fade to grey? Would wearing it in the sun do that? And the seller is so cocksure that the dial is blue.

I've already opened a case on the watch and will get my money back. I'll check out Watch Recon again. And thanks much for your time, camry. You helped me a lot.
Of course he doesn't like the challenge and would rather not part with the money I paid ($2,300). The watch was just completely overhauled. Maybe the dial was damaged and some petroleum-based product was used to clean it up and it faded the blue. Maybe a lot of things, but it's good to know that it's not just me. Thank you for taking the time to look and respond. I appreciate it.
This is a blue faced example.. in new and pristine condition... yours looks like its spent the last years of its life exposed to very harsh sunlight that
has aged the blue pigment of the dial to a more steely grey. If it was serviced by a Breitling service centre they most likely would have offered the then owner the chance to update the dial. From a cosmetic point of view your watch looks like its lead a very hard life.

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That pic says it all right there. There's no mistaking the color of that dial. Somehow the blue of the dial on mine degraded to grey while the chapter ring stayed blue. I don't know if I'll ever know the true history of the watch. It depends on how honest the seller is going to be with me. Thanks for posting that pic. If you don't mind, I may use it as an example of what the watch is supposed to look like. Cheers, mate.
Some colours oxidise faster than others, but all finishes get a slow degradation over time. If two different components are made in any slightly different way to each other then there is a possibility they will degrade at different rates, and where they are adjacent will appear to be in stark difference. It's possible that the dual and the chapter ring were made differently but collectively appear the same/similar from new. Over time they start changing appearance at different rates. That's why one is blue and the other grey. Look up atrophy. It's possible.

Cheers.
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That's something to think about. Looking at other models with blue dials, I haven't found any with this much degradation. The dials are still blue, but not all things are equal. Like someone mentioned above, the watch could have gone through severe changes in environment, such as having been left in the sun and forgotten about. I wonder if the AR coatings would block harmful rays and protect the dial from fading. Ciao.
I agree it does look grey (although your pictures aren't the best ;-) ). It definitely wouldn't be a result of the overhaul (assuming it was done by Breitling). They would never let a watch leave their hands in less than perfect condition. What did the pictures look like on the eBay listing? If you're unhappy push for a refund thru eBay.
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These are the eBay pictures of the watch in question.

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There are two more pictures, but they're of the box and booklet. I don't think these pics are much better than my crappy ones, but at least you can see the color in mine. Kind of.
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From those pics i would have said this was a black dial that has been significantly sun- faded. i find that because of the concentric circles on the SOSF dial it's colour can range from grey to deep black.
Those concentric circles can fool you. If I hold the watch so I can look at the dial at about a 10° angle line of sight, the dial looks blue. The walls of those concentric circles still have blue on them. However, the ridges have lost their pigment and appear grey or something close to grey. I told the seller to look at this thread, and he said the pictures of the watch-in-question look just like the watch he bought when it was brand new, insisting that the dial is unquestionably blue blue blue!!! I asked him in all sincerity if he were colorblind. I don't get it. How can anyone look at those pics, crappy as they are, and say the dial is blue, like brand-new blue???????
Colour blind, maybe, happens to the best of us... take the test

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I just took the test and I am not colourblind, although I now have a headache .

Blue is, due to its physical make up, one of the worst colours for being affected by sunlight. The sun literally saps the blue pigment from the colour over time and fading occurs. If you look around you will see many example of this. Closely followed by green (which as a complementary colour made up of blue and yellow). The better or purer a natural blue pigment the more chance of it holding on. If the pigment is derived from synthetic compounds then it is more likely to fade faster. Not an expert, just had some exposure to this in a working life. Other colours are less effected.
The seller advertised the watch as having a blue dial. You've got the watch and you can see that the dial is *not* blue so therefore you have a case to return the watch saying that it isn't as advertised. EBay will be on your side.
I passed with 100%. My eyes have problems but detecting color ain't one of them.
That's probably what happened to this watch, which by the way, is on its way back to the seller.
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This is my watch the day I got it back from BUSA from a complete overhaul. This watch was at least 5-6 years old and worn to work every day. I did not have the face changed so with reasonable care the face will matain the blue color. I hope you have a good outcome from all this and get your Steelfish. It is a great watch and one I hope to have for many years to come.
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That's definitely true: the Steelfish is worth the extra effort to get hold of.
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