Ok, thank you for clarifying. I was under the impression they are still being made by the same company/same parts. I think other people are still under that impression as well.Secondly all four brands you've mentioned have different sources for their parts.
No need to be confused. If you need one company's name that produces the Steinhart Ocean models, then that one name will have to be Steinhart! Although Steinhart does not manufacture watches or watch parts at their premises in Augsburg, Germany, Steinhart also does not order watches, or even parts from a catalog of a watch/private label brand producer either.Who manufactures Steinhart's current Ocean 1 now? It's just that all these brands, merging, splitting and private labels makes everything more confusing that it should be
I myself was until now under impression, that Steinhart produces his watches at Grovana and Revue Thommen. Seems like I was wrong, after reading Tritons explanation...Ok, thank you for clarifying. I was under the impression they are still being made by the same company/same parts. I think other people are still under that impression as well.
I read a review of one of the Robert and the reviewer stated that he like the Robert bracelet better than the Steinhart. That statement is what triggered my question.
It would really help if these companies would be honest. I've read everything and it's opposite from them. One must be lying :roll:I dont want to stick my nose in it, but it is realy a mystery to me what has happened.
Anyway, even if that question remains unanswered, I like Steinies a lot!
I dont want to be the judge here, although I personaly have had great experience with Gunther, so I naturaly trust him and his story.It would really help if these companies would be honest. I've read everything and it's opposite from them. One must be lying :roll:
Recently the owner of Debaufre wrote in a public forum:
"My father (Jon D.) and I started this company about 5 years ago in the U.S. under the name of Steinhart. We picked this name because the guy we were employing as our designer at the time was named Steinhart. (...) Two years into it, we were threatened with a lawsuit from Steinhausen to change our name. We decided not to be in court for the next few years, so after long research we found the historic name of Debaufre. Once the change went into effect, our designer decided he didn't want to work for a company not bearing his name and abruptly abandoned us, went back to Germany, took our designs with him and started his own little company. He is not associated with us."
I've heard a totally different story from Gunter Steinhart and Triton :think:
If the the Aviation/Csar, the LeMans or the Marine Timer are indeed designed by Gunter Steinhart (and its main designer, Triton here). How can the owner of Debaufre claim that he is not associated with him?!? It doesn't make sense...
I guess so, since the watches are delivered with a Grovana warranty card...It's not a stretch to think that all of these makers were once very closely connected. The posts I have read said that Grovana still makes these for Debaufre.
You are right kdsarch. But it's difficult to stop this topic if the parties involved keep resurrecting it over and over (the message I quoted is from February 2010). It cast a dark shadow on the brands. It's a shame really...At some point we have to stick a fork in this topic and call it done. I think it was done about a year ago...
I am not sure, with all due respect, that I need a censor to tell me what I can and what I cannot discuss in open forum. Yes, I am on Steinharts side, I judge this company mainly by their products and by their customer care, but when there is something that is unaswered (and judging by the story provided by Debaufre, there is something unaswered), I believe I have the right to freely ask questions.At some point we have to stick a fork in this topic and call it done. I think it was done about a year ago...
We know that the companies were together a few years ago, and now have gone their separate ways.
Today, we should judge the companies on what we see different in their product offerings over this past year.
I am not familar with Robert so I can comment on their products, I am familiar with both Debaufre and Steinhart.
Deb has come out with a "new" 200m diver that uses the same case as 5-6 other companies. The dial and hands are unique, but the bezel, case, bracelet, and movement are all similar to other product offererings, so nothing really "new" or innovative heare. Also, for a diver, I think that there is not enough lume on the hands. They also produced a new pilot watch. Take a look at it and judge for yourself if you like it.
Steinhart on the other hand has released their new Triton which is distinctively designed. Also, they have come out with some new product offerings as far as chrono's and special edition pilot watches.
Design is always subjective, but I like the design work that is going on over at Steinhart better than Debaufre. Therefore they will get my continued attention. That is not to say that Deb won't, but perhaps not as much.
I am sure that both companies at this point are tired of trying to "spin" the business separation. Unfortunatley, business dissolve all the time. We just have to try to evaluate the merits of both new companies and make our own best personal judgement as to which one we prefer (and perhaps believe).
I apologize for calling you censor. I understand your reasons and respect them.Sorry, I did not mean to sound like a censor, but was merely trying to point out that this topic has been discussed ad infinitum, that there are going to be different perspectives, and they are on their own separate paths now.