[Sebastián.T]

¡Hola!

¿Alguien PUEDE ayudarme a identificar Este modelo Stowa?

 

[JacobC]

Wow. Haven't seen that before.

 

[Stowie]

I’m not a Stowa expert by any means, but I have been researching them a decent amount. (Favorite watch company so I’d like to learn more!) I have not seen stowa produce watches of that particular style or quality.

I believe you have a “Franken-watch.” (A watch made of multiple other watches)

 

[Sebastián.T]

[QUOTE = "Stowie, publicación: 52781811, miembro: 1456765"]
No soy un experto en Stowa de ninguna manera, pero los he estado investigando bastante. (¡Compañía de relojes favorita, así que me gustaría saber más!) No he visto a Stowa producir relojes de ese estilo o calidad en particular.

Creo que tienes un "reloj Franken". (Un reloj hecho de varios otros relojes)
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Gracias por el aporte. Pude encontrar algunos relojes similares supuestamente de Stowa, pero simplemente me confunden más 😭

 

[Sebastián.T]

También me sorprende el tamaño.

 

[brainless]

I’m not a Stowa expert by any means,

Yes, you are not alone in this opinion.

......but I have been researching them a decent amount.

Not enough.

(Favorite watch company so I’d like to learn more!)

There is plenty of room to learn for you.

I have not seen stowa produce watches of that particular style or quality

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Things you haven't seen yet, doesn't mean they are not existing.

I believe you have a “Franken-watch.” (A watch made of multiple other watches)

Belief doesn't replace knowledge!

Hello Sebastian,

the watch and the four bezels are part of an assembly of different bezels and straps for one watch:

This is another box -incomplete- I have too.

These assortments were made in the late Sixties by various companies, one of them being Stowa. Most of them were sold in the USA.

I hope I could help you,


Volker

 

[brainless]

I forgot to showcase the 3rd box of this kind I own:

It is not identical to the other two boxes, but it contains 6 different straps and bezels,


Volker

 

[Sebastián.T]

[QUOTE = "sin cerebro, publicación: 52783044, miembro: 21333"]
Olvidé mostrar la tercera caja de este tipo que tengo:

View attachment 15609951

No es idéntico a las otras dos cajas, pero contiene 6 correas y biseles diferentes,


Volker
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¡Muchas gracias, Volker!
felicitaciones por esa buena Colección. Mi objetivo es conseguir un reloj para hombre de Stowa, llevo mucho tiempo siguiendo la marca, también otra marca que no conocía que se llama Vulcain, pero solo pude encontrar relojes de mujer 😥.
¡Gracias por tu contribución Nuevamente!

 

[Stowie]

Belief doesn't replace knowledge!

Well then I stand corrected! Believe me I tried to research it. I came across a few ladies watches but none at all similar to that. Interesting it turns out to be authentic, must be pretty uncommon.

 

[Stowie]

These assortments were made in the late Sixties by various companies, one of them being Stowa. Most of them were sold in the USA.

I’m also curious where are you able to find information like this? I would like to be able to learn more about Stowa, and it seems you know where to look.

Is there a special spot or just general googling over time?

 

[brainless]

The special spot is called 'Volker'.
I am collecting Vintage Stowa watches for more than 21 years now and my collection still contains about 700 to 800 watches/clocks from Stowa. The collection originally had more watches, but I sold many of them since autumn
2019. Neither my son nor my daughter are interested in those ticking contemporary witnesses from 1927 to 1978.

If there are any questions referring to Stowa I will try to answer them,


Volker

 

[Nokie]

Interesting......

 

[The Geezer]

The special spot is called 'Volker'.
I am collecting Vintage Stowa watches for more than 21 years now and my collection still contains about 700 to 800 watches/clocks from Stowa. The collection originally had more watches, but I sold many of them since autumn
2019. Neither my son nor my daughter are interested in those ticking contemporary witnesses from 1927 to 1978.

If there are any questions referring to Stowa I will try to answer them,


Volker

Well, I enjoyed your post above and it made me laugh out loud. I am sure it was meant kindly.
I have a question on Stowa though:

Did Stowa ever make a Flieger or Marine with a 6497 that was altered to have central seconds and a stopping second - if that is what you call the mechanism where it keeps going to 60 and then stops?

I saw a post that said they did but it was the knowledge of a Swiss watchmaker who died. Then I see that Guinand watches do exactly that in their series 31 (can't stand the G's dial though).

I have a follow-up too - if Stowa did, and you have one, can I buy it from you?

Geezer

 

[brainless]

Well, I enjoyed your post above and it made me laugh out loud.

Thank you, I really love making people laugh.

Did Stowa ever make a Flieger or Marine with a 6497 that was altered to have central seconds and a stopping second - if that is what you call the mechanism where it keeps going to 60 and then stops?

Yes, they did. It was one of their L.E.'s referring to their 80th anniversary (founded in 1927). Originally they made a batch of 80 pcs., all of them with a gold plated balance cock. These were called FO L.E. (Flieger Original L.E.) Later on, the first 80 pcs. were sold out in a few minutes, they managed to get some movements more. These items differed from the first batch in several details and none of them had that gold plated balance cock.Stowa tried to meet the demand but didn't succeed. Many orderers didn't get the longed for watch.

I saw a post that said they did but it was the knowledge of a Swiss watchmaker who died.

Yes, that is the official version. I don't know whether there is another reason for not making more watches with that modified movement.

Then I see that Guinand watches do exactly that in their series 31 (can't stand the G's dial though)

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Yes, that was Guinand's HS 81, modified by Helmut Sinn himself - as they say.................

I have a follow-up too - if Stowa did, and you have one, can I buy it from you?

I would like to sell this watch again and again because of it's nice price. But I sold it in 2012 already.

There were even more watches with such a modified ETA / Unitas 6497. Here you can see three of them: Stowa, Guinand and Steinhart. The Steinhart watch is the only one of this kind I still own.

Steinhart
Pic. #1 to #24
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Stowa
Pic. #1 to #5
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Guinand
Pic. #1 to #11
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

If you want any further information about my watches, send me a PM please,


Volker

 

[The Geezer]

Thank you, I really love making people laugh.


Yes, they did. It was one of their L.E.'s referring to their 80th anniversary (founded in 1927). Originally they made a batch of 80 pcs., all of them with a gold plated balance cock. These were called FO L.E. (Flieger Original L.E.) Later on, the first 80 pcs. were sold out in a few minutes, they managed to get some movements more. These items differed from the first batch in several details and none of them had that gold plated balance cock.Stowa tried to meet the demand but didn't succeed. Many orderers didn't get the longed for watch.


Yes, that is the official version. I don't know whether there is another reason for not making more watches with that modified movement.

.
Yes, that was Guinand's HS 81, modified by Helmut Sinn himself - as they say.................


I would like to sell this watch again and again because of it's nice price. But I sold it in 2012 already.

There were even more watches with such a modified ETA / Unitas 6497. Here you can see three of them: Stowa, Guinand and Steinhart. The Steinhart watch is the only one of this kind I still own.

Steinhart
Pic. #1 to #24
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Stowa
Pic. #1 to #5
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Guinand
Pic. #1 to #11
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

If you want any further information about my watches, send me a PM please,


Volker

Firstly, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to answer this. I enjoyed looking through your pictures. You certainly have/ had some fabulous watches. The marine looked particularly good. Shame you sold it!

Have you thought about a site documenting all your watches and knowledge? A sort of online museum. There used to be a site called “stowa enthusiasts” which featured limited edition Stowa watches but that is a dead link now, and doesn’t work with the internet archive (http://thestowafan.blogspot.com/). you could fill a very interesting gap there.

I wish they would make some more 6497 modified watches - I know they did 15 recently. I presume it’s a difficult and time-consuming process. Personally I would like a standard run of them as I would like to own one.

Once again, think you for your knowledge and assistance

Geezer

 

[foxl]

I know they did 15 recently.

??? What Kind of watches should that be? Where were they sold and in what period of time?

 

[foxl]

There were even more watches with such a modified ETA / Unitas 6497

Tourby was a 4th manufacturer who sold modified unitas movements in their Pilots recently.

Thats why i wondered, why Stowa Never decided to complete the Original orders of FOLE.

BTW: i guess the shortage at that time was the golden Part or the swan neck; becouse we know about the FO1 and FO2 without that Parts but without central second modification

 

[The Geezer]

Thank you, I really love making people laugh.


Yes, they did. It was one of their L.E.'s referring to their 80th anniversary (founded in 1927). Originally they made a batch of 80 pcs., all of them with a gold plated balance cock. These were called FO L.E. (Flieger Original L.E.) Later on, the first 80 pcs. were sold out in a few minutes, they managed to get some movements more. These items differed from the first batch in several details and none of them had that gold plated balance cock.Stowa tried to meet the demand but didn't succeed. Many orderers didn't get the longed for watch.


Yes, that is the official version. I don't know whether there is another reason for not making more watches with that modified movement.

.
Yes, that was Guinand's HS 81, modified by Helmut Sinn himself - as they say.................


I would like to sell this watch again and again because of it's nice price. But I sold it in 2012 already.

There were even more watches with such a modified ETA / Unitas 6497. Here you can see three of them: Stowa, Guinand and Steinhart. The Steinhart watch is the only one of this kind I still own.

Steinhart
Pic. #1 to #24
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Stowa
Pic. #1 to #5
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

Guinand
Pic. #1 to #11
Ihr persönlicher Freigabelink | WEB.DE Online-Speicher

If you want any further information about my watches, send me a PM please,


Volker

Firstly, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to answer this. I enjoyed looking through your pictures. You certainly have some fabulous watches. The marine looked particularly good. Shame you sold it!
have you thought about a site documenting all your watches and knowledge? A sort of online museum. There used to be a site called “stowa enthusiasts” which featured limited edition Stowa watches but that is a deadline now and doesn’t work with the internet archive

Tourby was a 4th manufacturer who sold modified unitas movements in their Pilots recently.

Thats why i wondered, why Stowa Never decided to complete the Original orders of FOLE.

BTW: i guess the shortage at that time was the golden Part or the swan neck; becouse we know about the FO1 and FO2 without that Parts but without central second modification

Well, I thought I saw that in the most recent bronze Flieger edition of a few weeks back, they also offered 15 x 6497 modified with central seconds - or was I imagining what I wanted to see..? Pretty sure it happened though.

Interesting that a few manufacturers do this (Stowa, Tutima, Steinhart, Guinand) but some find it difficult or haphazard to carry out (Stowa) in larger batches. Not sure what the reason might be for this, or what the production run would be for the others. Seems unlikely that it all comes down to one old Swiss bloke who knows how to do it and who, may or may not be, dead.

Anyway, on another note, if I had Volker's past stuff, Fliegers and Marine's like this, and the Durowe ones, I would never sell, just gloat quietly to myself..

Geezer

 

[brainless]

Seems unlikely that it all comes down to one old Swiss bloke who knows how to do it and who, may or may not be, dead.

I share your opinion in general, but referring to that 'old Swiss bloke': It was Stowa only who told this story.
Guinand/Chronosport made Helmut Sinn responsible for the HS 81. Other companies got their movements from the Swiss specialist ISOPROG:
IP 13 | IsoProg
http://www.isoprog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/listingip13.pdf

The modified movements seem to be available yet, when ordering 100 pcs. at least,


Volker

 

[The Geezer]

I share your opinion in general, but referring to that 'old Swiss bloke': It was Stowa only who told this story.
Guinand/Chronosport made Helmut Sinn responsible for the HS 81. Other companies got their movements from the Swiss specialist ISOPROG:
IP 13 | IsoProg
http://www.isoprog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/listingip13.pdf

The modified movements seem to be available yet, when ordering 100 pcs. at least,


Volker

Interesting - I would love to know why Stowa said that - but the others can supply - and here you have the supplier!
Also, when I checked back, I made a mistake. The email from Stowa was on 31 October and said:

Extremely rare collector's watch!
Flieger 6497 Bronze Vintage Limited!

Dear STOWA collector,
Today we have two new watches for you. One of them is extremely rare and we do not know if we will be able to present another model with such a movement in the future.
Based on the Unitas 6497 with small second at 9 o'clock we have built this special watch. Now also in the new bronze pilot case in 41 mm. Treated in the typical STOWA vintage style. Limited to only 15 watches worldwide, because we have no more movements.
The movements have been decorated with Geneva stripes, the STOWA logo is engraved and gold plated. The balance valve is processed in-house, rhodium plated and inscribed. The screw balance, which we build in, is also getting rarer and rarer.
The second watch is now built as a (small) series, with the Unitas 6498 and the small second at 6 o'clock. On request we will be pleased to engrave the typical pilot's watch engraving FL 23883 on the case.
No matter which watch you choose, the STOWA pilot's watches have become a sought-after classic and will give their owners many years of joy.
Your STOWA team from the Black Forest

So it still had a small seconds dial. Oh well, my mistake. Apologies. But if they did do a Flieger 6497 with a central seconds and stopping hands iteration again, now that would be the one for me!