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I keep seeing people on forums repeat accusations that "Swiss watches are a scam" and that they are "rebadged Chinese parts", however no-one ever seems to be able to provide any tangible evidence for this.

I get that some specialist watch parts may have to be sourced from Asia, and that this ratio may be higher with companies that have a range of cheaper mass-produced models, but surely the higher up the Swiss watch food chain you go you, in terms of pricing (a few thousand) and prestige (Oris levels and above), you do get companies that make their own watches, or use Swiss Made parts, as much as is realistically possible?

Some manufacturers that have their own factories in Switzerland are:

Rolex
Tudor
Oris
Zenith
Omega
Patek
AP

So, I would please like to hear some realistic and sensible/practical feedback from people on what luxury Swiss watchmakers like the above, who have factories that manufacture watches in Switzerland, do to result in accusations that they are "rebadged China/Asia" watches. And by that, I mean more than that they have to source some specialist small parts from Asia that for whatever economical or practical reasons, cannot be produced in Switzerland.

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I keep seeing people on forums repeat accusations that "Swiss watches are a scam" and that they are "rebadged Chinese parts", however no-one ever seems to be able to provide any tangible evidence for this.

I get that some specialist watch parts may have to be sourced from Asia, and that this ratio may be higher with companies that have a range of cheaper mass-produced models, but surely the higher up the Swiss watch food chain you go you, in terms of pricing (a few thousand) and prestige (Oris levels and above), you do get companies that make their own watches, or use Swiss Made parts, as much as is realistically possible?

Some manufacturers that have their own factories in Switzerland are:

Rolex
Tudor
Oris
Zenith
Omega
Patek
AP

So, I would please like to hear some realistic and sensible/practical feedback from people on what luxury Swiss watchmakers like the above, who have factories that manufacture watches in Switzerland, do to result in accusations that they are "rebadged China/Asia" watches. And by that, I mean more than that they have to source some specialist small parts from Asia that for whatever economical or practical reasons, cannot be produced in Switzerland.

Many thanks.:)
Take Patek, AP and Rolex/Tudor off that list. Probably Zenith too. Omega certainly have parts made in China such as bracelets and other small parts.
 

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I was listening to a podcast with the head of Omega a few months ago. He said that every component of Omega watches was made by companies in the Swatch group. If course some of these might not be based in Switzerland? As a label though...




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I was listening to a podcast with the head of Omega a few months ago. He said that every component of Omega watches was made by companies in the Swatch group.


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Yes and the Swatch group has manufacturing facilities in Asia hence why I mentioned them. Many of the lower tier Swatch group brands have most of the component parts MIC. ETA also has manufacturing plants in Thailand and China as well.
 

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Please read the actual rules about 50% being “Swisss” because the thing referred to is “value”. So if labor costs in Switzerland to install the non-Swiss parts from Asia are 50.000000001% of the cost the watch was “Made in Switzerland “. Neat trick.
 

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Take Patek, AP and Rolex/Tudor off that list. Probably Zenith too. Omega certainly have parts made in China such as bracelets and other small parts.
The list was meant to be companies that do not use Chinese parts, but yes I agree that Rolex seem to use 100% Swiss manufactured parts Is a Rolex Swiss Made? Here is the Answer! - Millenary Watches

I would be disappointed if Omegas have Chinese made parts in watches in their high-end lines.
 

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I wonder if anyone asked what percentage of the machines making Rolex's in house parts are made in China . . .

Everything eventually is made in part from overseas. Last I checked Switzerland wasn't the world leader in iron and gold extraction, and I doubt the computer chips and programming that run their manufacturing are Swiss. If we want to be pedantic, the machines could be considered "foreign" labor. We are long from the days when a Swiss farmer went to his shed to make a watch over the winter to make a few francs.
 

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I wonder if anyone asked what percentage of the machines making Rolex's in house parts are made in China . . .

Everything eventually is made in part from overseas. Last I checked Switzerland wasn't the world leader in iron and gold extraction, and I doubt the computer chips and programming that run their manufacturing are Swiss. If we want to be pedantic, the machines could be considered "foreign" labor. We are long from the days when a Swiss farmer went to his shed to make a watch over the winter to make a few francs.
Interesting perspective - it really does show that it's a hard line to draw definitively.
 

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I wonder if anyone asked what percentage of the machines making Rolex's in house parts are made in China . . .

Everything eventually is made in part from overseas. Last I checked Switzerland wasn't the world leader in iron and gold extraction, and I doubt the computer chips and programming that run their manufacturing are Swiss.
Oh come on, the context of this thread is just obvious so please don't be a pedant and start talking about Switzerland mining it's own non-existent precious mineral resources. I even wrote "as much as is realistically possible?" just to cover the possibility of hare-brained comments like yours. Use some common sense.
 

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I wonder if anyone asked what percentage of the machines making Rolex's in house parts are made in China . . .

Everything eventually is made in part from overseas. Last I checked Switzerland wasn't the world leader in iron and gold extraction, and I doubt the computer chips and programming that run their manufacturing are Swiss. If we want to be pedantic, the machines could be considered "foreign" labor. We are long from the days when a Swiss farmer went to his shed to make a watch over the winter to make a few francs.
I would fully expect that the CNC machines Rolex use are indeed Swiss and/or German. And the steel used is smelted into bar stock in Austria, and Rolex has its own foundry for creating its Rolesor gold alloys. IC chips might be Taiwanese or even made in the EU!
 

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The list was meant to be companies that do not use Chinese parts, but yes I agree that Rolex seem to use 100% Swiss manufactured parts Is a Rolex Swiss Made? Here is the Answer! - Millenary Watches

I would be disappointed if Omegas have Chinese made parts in watches in their high-end lines.
Lots of assertions and regurgitation of Rolex marketing. So, I’m to believe that they make their own spring bars and screws? I’ll believe that when they allow video of the process.
 

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Lots of assertions and regurgitation of Rolex marketing. So, I’m to believe that they make their own spring bars and screws? I’ll believe that when they allow video of the process.
Screws they will absolutely make. Sapphire crystals and hands are certainly outsourced. Springbars may also be outsourced but not to Asia. Plenty Swiss companies in the supply chains that we have never even heard of.
 

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What's the point of such an exercise--exclusivity at the expense of what--xenophobia? We live in a global society--I look at the end product--how well it is made, how well it looks, how well it works--why should it matter all that much if "foreign" hands touched it in the process?
I agree, why does it matter where the parts are from? I mean, it' not like everyone outside of Switzerland, or Europe, is incapable of producing quality components.
 
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