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The 2022 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club (WPAC).

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The 2022 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club (WPAC).

Welcome to the 2022 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, otherwise known as WPAC. This is the 6th year of WPAC, which was started at the beginning of 2017 to try and get myself and some other addicts out of a crazy buying/flipping cycle with watches, we were buying for the sake of it rather than for the appreciation of the watch itself, constantly chasing the next, new shiny watch or searching endlessly, fixated on some watch; generally, IMHO, a rather unhealthy behaviour.

So, what is the point of WPAC? Well, the aim is to abstain from purchasing watches. But that's a bit blunt really, the abstinence is a tool or a method to break the cycle of buying/flipping and become a discerning consumer of horology. Learning to appreciate what you have, understand what works for you with watches and think rationally about purchases, rather than emotionally. Or the ethos of less is more, as some have suggested the philosophy is here. Yes we still love watches, but as we all know we can be weak, so WPAC is a place to get help; here you can take solace from like minded people and get support and encouragement to stop impulse buying.

With those that stick around and make some commitment WPAC has been successful; for me it's certainly helped me break the buy/flip cycle and stop obsessing, so maybe it can help you.

In previous years we've had some rules, but this year there aren't going to be, there seems little point when we all have subtly (sometimes massively) different goals. If you are in serious horological trouble with buying then look back at the OP in previous WPAC threads, the rules should be a useful starting point if you want to get things under control or just shout out here to get some advice, it's what we're good at. Think of it like a clubhouse or a WUS subforum dedicated to being friendly, chatting about everything and anything and where you can find like minded watch fans.

Having said that, there is one rule I'd like everyone to adhere to; first post should be an intro with a SOTC picture (include everything, don't cheat) and some goals/aims for 2022. Whether you want to abstain completely, want to save for a special watch, just need to take control, slow things down or whatever, we'll be happy to have everyone. Just as long as you're clear on what your aims are.

Please participate in the thread, it's what makes it what it is. Any reasonable topic of conversation is acceptable and in fact welcomed.

Bashing of any potential purchases should still be a mandatory element, but let's keep it funny. Nuclear level bashing is required for any actual purchases.
Expect to be challenged by others if you're suggesting a purchase, whatever your personal goals/aims and expect to need to defend yourself.

.....and one last thing, we do occasionally get some trolls visiting, let's agree to not feed them.

Edit - clarification on enabling: this is a difficult one to deal with as WPAC has evolved such that we discuss watches, post pictures, etc., previously we tried not doing that but it didn't really work and as well despite the temptation provided by this individuals need to develop the control to not be tempted every 5 minutes by something. However, this year we seem to have a mixture of regulars and new participants, and some the latter are wanting to abstain. Hence please don't directly enable by suggesting watches......
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Haven’t seen any mention of bashings yet. I think it’s worth mentioning especially to our new members - this is something that has become an integral part of WPAC. When a shiny timing device has gotten into your head and is tempting you and you feel your resistance is faltering then you can present the watch here for bashing. The WPAC crowd will then systematically and ruthlessly tear the watch apart pointing out its every flaw.

This is designed to put you off the watch.
This is NOT personal.
This should be done before purchase or there’s no point.

To get the most out of this you should try NOT to defend the watch and instead try to see if the criticisms have any validity. Many times a quick bash has saved several hundreds or thousands of £/$/€.
And here is the basher aka agressive croatian guy.

Will be here in 2022. I will probably have a new job I trained for during last year. Both of us, my girlfriend and I, got a job offer before end of our education...so both of us will probably have to move to a nearby small Town in february. We have to work through year of payed internship. Wich in current situation over here is like winning a jackpot. Especially due to fact we are both in our 40ies.

I also started to work for a local lifestyle website. Watches come and go. I am happy puppy.

I wish you all the best. 21 has been confusing for all of us. I hope 22 passes like a breeze.

Will drop by eventually. Have fun gals and guys.
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Pharmaceutical technitian.
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In my defense, got this one for a review.

Revamped Darwil brand, 1 of 100 Special Agent Automatic bronzo.

Swiss made, totally retro styled. My favorite vintage brand, owned over 100 of these oldies including orginal one from 70ies.


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Special agent ?
This is 70ies original.



Not certain 007 would pass unnoticed today. So... Theres SA connection.
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Aaargh!!

It is January 3rd. Two days ago I joined this group, posted my SOTC and said,



And this afternoon, after 18+ months on "the waiting list" that I became convinced didn't really exist, I got a call from my local Rolex AD. They are holding a new Explorer 36 for me that came in today.

Truly I am beyond conflicted. You can't make this stuff up. Cosmic test of will, anyone?

My left brain (and one of our WPAC brethren who will remain nameless) is telling me it would be silly not to simply pick it up and flip it.

My wife thinks I should just get on with it. "You'll be buying one for less that it will be worth next week? And it's a Rolex? Why is there a question? It's not like you're buying a third Seiko 5..."

And there's a whole bunch of back and forth rationalization going through my head. Pick it up and keep it. (Don't buy it and keep it! A Rolex is theft bait! LOL) Turn a quick buck...?

One in one out? That's OK, right!!? I could sell an Oris to stay at 4. But that's not exactly a fiscal wash.

Mind you, no, I would not be going into hock to buy it, and the mortgage is in fact paid off...

OK - let the bashing (and hopefully some actual usefull feedback) begin.
I still dont understand the whole "rolex investment" scheme.

So...you will invest around 8k Something into piece of steel. That you will sell for more. Ok... Got that part.

On the other hand... There is ton of unsold brand new Rolex... Well... Every where. Open CH24. You will get a flood of all kinds of R... With prices well above retail.

So... You have invested some money into Something that will eventually sell for a bit more... If the bubble does not burst. Any... And I mean any... Finacial adviser if you explained him that you had to wait a year and a half to purchase something that you will have to hold on to for a year or so (do they even hand you the papers at the moment or do they Keep it for a While just so you dont sell it right away? If you do that you will get on Black list, you are aware of it?) that you have no idea it will sell at the time.... Well... It looks like an overblown investment scam to me.

It reminds me of Panerai mania few years ago.

IF you are going to wear it... Ok... No argue. Just wear it. It is great watch. Any rolex is actually a great watch.


But... All these "oh look at my watch... I actually had to wait for a year and a half for it.

No.. Its not Limited. Its regular model one of dozen thousand made each month.

.. Its made of Steel. No... Not meteorite Steel. No... They did not go through 12 tasks to collect 4 ounces of Steel that thay made it from...

No its not handmade... Why are you asking all these questions?"

Srsly. Dude. Its no brainer. Get it. But.. Wear it. Dont be one of the douches that keeps it in safe.

You Know Rolexes have feelings. They are neglected that way.
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Cmoon Hornet. You get what I am aiming at.

There is a difference between "oh look I have a Rolex. Nobody gives a Damn. Its a watch" and "oh my goood i am on the list and after elephant pregnancy period i finally got it. Now i am gonna take a few snapshots of it, put it in box and wait for the incoming PM. In the meantime i will not wear it because someone will rob me. But i will also post 1376 pictures of it on Instagram, with my car and house in background and inspirational quotes. I am Sure no one will find my house. I am succesful. I have a Rolex."
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Trying to catch up with things. And fail.

Greetings from Aggressive Croatian Guy :)

Have fun Girls and guys. And Rusty.
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Yo, sinner777! How are you fella? What's going on in your world?


Haven't heard from Rusty in ages.......
Working 3rd month of internship in small town in Croatia. Kinda like Northern Exposure sans moose.

We have bears though

Greetings comrades. Stay strong in abstinence.



Rusty is on TZUK. But rarely posts.
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Congrats Hornet.

Just a Quick dropby. Very Busy few weeks.









Had a surprise mini vacation. Extra hours at work combined with local Holiday and 5 days of active vacation.

Drove to Zagreb, visited INmusic festival, Nick Cave and Deftones in two days. Third day bought a new (used) car and drove 300 miles to my hometown. In the meantime picked keeper from rehaul (Triton, it was 20 s/d Slow so I Sent it to watchmaker).

And then again Long drive to work Town, around 500 miles.

Great week it has been.

Hang on there girls and Boys. Keep it real.
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I heaed it was Seiko 5
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Stopped watch phenomenon is kinda humorous... Really, the only watches which cause this for me is small seconds faces, where the second hand is moving slow enough, and considering my eyesight, the whole deal is small enough, that motion takes an extra moment of steady gaze to recognize.

It's funny: sometimes when I post one of my two-hand watches, people are all, like, "Woah there, brother, how do you even know if it's running or not?!?" As in, some people need a seconds hand as some kind of indicator that their watch is running. at a glance. And now you say it's no guarantee?

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Seems like a very special kind of anxiety...

How to tell if your watch is running:
1. Hold it up to your ear.
2. Display caseback? Check the balance wheel.
3. Stop worrying! Check the minute hand again after a length of time, and confirm that it's moved.

Sheesh...

Miyota 82xx series and Vostok have the infamous hand stutter function. due to sudden movement, second-hand stops for a second or two.

The first time I saw that was many years ago, when a friend brought Artego diver (for younger folks, these were first-generation micros, and quite stunning watches, now long gone and discontinued).

I put the frikkin thing on my wrist ... and it stopped.

Cold sweat.

then it just kept on running.

He knew all along (I was a young acolyte of watches at the time, with Orient Mako, which I wore as one watch for a few years straight as the only watch) and started to pull my leg "you broke the f.... thing, you peasant, now you will have to buy it".
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New emerging "WPAC" subculture is threatening to undermine the luxury watch industry...

11 August 2022 | Author: William Hardlove

In an heroic effort to save the industry from the next quartz crisis, Omega is releasing the new Speedmaster WPAC-edition, limited to only zero pieces. Hold on, WPAC? Next Quartz crisis? Zero piece limited edition? What in Hayek's name are you talking about, I hear you thinking. Well, allow me to explain.

The origins of WPAC
WPAC, short for Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, is a group of WIS that was first founded 5 years ago on the well known Watchuseek forum. Growing increasingly dissatisfied with the offerings of the luxury watch industry, they decided to boycot luxury watches altogether, in an effort to make an irrefutable statement to the establishment of the watch industry. As an act of provocation, they decided to found their club in the relatively obscure Affordables section of the Watchuseek forum (the place that also birthed the microbrand-crisis, more about that in this article)

At first the industry did not pay much attention to this group of deviants, as their numbers were only small. But over the years the WPAC thread started to gather much attention, and is now an undeniable force at over 4500 posts only halfway through the year! So understandably the big brands are starting to get a bit nervous, with Rolex being the first to start feeling the heat of the WPAC luxury watch boycot.

Omega Speedmaster WPAC-edition
Seeing the decline of Rolex secondary market value was a big red flag for Omega, who immediately recognized that this was the direct result of letting the interests of the WPAC movement go unheard. So in an effort to repair relations with their highly valued customers, Omega reached out to WPAC frontman Heraldus Hornet to understand their concerns. In the words of marketing director Mark Omegaman:

"We have had a very friendly constructive meeting with Heraldus, under the enjoyment of an exquisite local meal of fish and chips, and a remarkable vintage of Frosters. Our biggest take away was that the latest releases of Speedmaster limited editions were not limited enough to uphold the exclusive nature of the Moonwatch design, which alienated Heraldus and his brethren from the brand."

Thus Mark went to the drawing board and came up with the idea of a zero limited edition. Yes, you hear that right, even rarer than the actual Moonwatch that went to the moon! But how does that work? Mark Omegaman:

"Well the beauty of this release lies in the elegant simplicity of the concept: there is no watch at all! You can sign up to get it at your local AD. But of course not just anyone can get it, you will have to show your WPAC membership number, and sufficient evidence that you are indeed an established member of the WPAC. Once the AD has certified you are eligible for the WPAC limited edition, you are then asked for a deposit to put your name on the waitlist. [red.: Period.]

So while this WPAC edition is indeed extremely limited, and only zero watches will actually be sold, the good news is that practically everyone with sufficient credentials to become a WPAC member (a record of at least 24 verified purchases of luxury watches per annum), is eligible to take a chance at acquiring the Speedmaster WPAC-edition.
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Well. IF it comes with "aggressive Croatian guy" on caseback..
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Because you're not writing ass kissing articles for the watch
industry?
I am writing those.

In one year I have earned... Let me check...

Well.. Ziltch. Nada. Zero.

So... No soup for me!
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We could use a successful writer like you at NODINKEE!
Sure. Count me in. I have a great article.

"value proposal - 10 insanely expensive ugly watches that will show world you are rich dipstick with no taste but will look good with your private jet #lifeisgood #carpediem"
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Ooooh...

"... The main issue with coveted Valjoux is the resistance one feels while pushing the start button... The upper one... And no matter how much modern gentleman complaint about calouses on their fingers, there was no solution...


...

Until... Now.

We present you...

Spring loaded chronograph starter!!

This patented device, under SPLOCHR name, will save your fingers and for fair price of 699,99 $, show that you are truly WIS."

(picture and blue print of mixture of prosthetic finger and spring loaded knife)
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Oof, I almost stumbled off the wagon this morning... I had not gone to Joey JoJo's Grey Market Emporium in a while so on a whim, I logged on and saw in my Watchlist was the Longines Tuxedo Small Seconds (Ref. L2.330.4.93.0) for well below retail price. Luckily, I remembered I tried it on at CH Premier Jewelers and the 50 mm lug-to-lug measurement created unsightly overhang on my 17 cm (6.5 inch) circumference wrist. While I love the design, it is far from versatile with its off-white inner dial and fauxtina lume. I only cooled off after having my morning coffee and dodged a USD ~$1600 bullet. Anyway, bash away!
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I presume you are not retro hypster hippie.

You know. The guys with retro mustache, with Hodinkee in favorites bar on iPad, drinking pumpkin spiced soya Milk infused double fair trade moccha.

It would look good on nato strap though.

Poslano sa mog JNY-LX1 koristeći Tapatalk
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wow. that is the most touching coming out I have seen in a while.
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English pengluish.

try spelling any of the Slavic languages.

even my name is a challenge.
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Yup. We learn them through elementary school. Some with more succes. Some with less. I myself am alergic to illiterate folks that cant use them properly.

Funny fact... Both serbian and croatian language are pronounced similarly.

But... Serbian language uses cyrilic alphabet. Even the alphabet order is completely different.

Both laguages have same origin.
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All ok, WPAC accolites?

Hope you are ok.
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