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The 2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club (WPAC).

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Welcome to the 2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, otherwise known as WPAC. This is the 7th year of WPAC, which gives me pause to stop and think that I'm surprised it has lasted this long. We might just be onto a good thing?

I'm not intending to repeat the usual opening remarks, but if you're coming to this thread wondering what this is all about have a gander at the last couple of years WPAC threads:


.....obviously don't read them all, but the original, opening posts should give you a good idea. In short this is a thread for a like minded group of watch obsessed individuals who are generally trying to improve their watch buying habits. Anyone is welcome to join, but if you join we want participation and contribution!

In previous years we've had some rules, but this year there aren't going to be, there seems little point when we all have subtly (sometimes massively) different goals. If you are in serious horological trouble with buying then look back at the OP in previous WPAC threads, the rules should be a useful starting point if you want to get things under control or just shout out here to get some advice, it's what we're good at. Think of it like a clubhouse or a WUS subforum dedicated to being friendly, chatting about everything and anything and where you can find like minded watch fans.

Having said that, there is one rule I'd like everyone to adhere to; first post should be an intro with a SOTC picture (include everything, don't cheat) and some goals/aims for 2023. Whether you want to abstain completely, want to save for a special watch, just need to take control, slow things down or whatever, we'll be happy to have everyone. Just as long as you're clear on what your aims are.

Please participate in the thread, it's what makes it what it is. Any reasonable topic of conversation is acceptable and in fact welcomed.

Bashing of any potential purchases should still be a mandatory element, but let's keep it funny. Nuclear level bashing is required for any actual purchases.
Expect to be challenged by others if you're suggesting a purchase, whatever your personal goals/aims and expect to need to defend yourself.....

.....and with that I declare WPAC 2023 open for business. Yes, it's a little premature but I reckon I'll be quite busy after Xmas and between NY, so a little forward planning is required.
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2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Report - Day 5

I haven't bought a watch yet (but I'm thinking about it).
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I looked at the San Martins. Too small a diameter to too thick. I know I'd hate them.

I'll probably just keep looking at the Steinhart until it's gone. It is a bit underwhelming.

That Scurfa Blue Treasure Seeker, though! Magnificent!
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I nearly did, but cancelled the order.
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2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Report - Day 5

I haven't bought a watch yet (but I'm thinking about it).
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I nearly did, but cancelled the order.
At least let us bash it before placing the order.... Strike 1/3 for Gulag sentence....
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I haven't bought a watch yet (but I'm thinking about it).
Share your thoughts with us! ;)
That Scurfa Blue Treasure Seeker, though! Magnificent!
I always seem to associate the Scurfa name with "schurft" (Dutch for scabies). Let me insert that association into your mind right there. 👌
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I'm really
At least let us bash it before placing the order.... Strike 1/3 for Gulag sentence....
Feeling the hard love here....... 👍👍👍







.......that sounds so wrong 🤣🤣🤣
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At least let us bash it before placing the order.... Strike 1/3 for Gulag sentence....
Odds are that I’ll be the first inmate so if you get sent there too Pete you can help me build the place.
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Feeling the hard love here....... 👍👍👍
Sure, I see what you guys are doing. Setting up your own "Hard Love" tribe to exclude the rest of us... :cry::cry:

Um, on second thought, :unsure:

You all be you. We're happy for you, and just want to be open minded and supportive!

from a safe distance... ;)
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Sure, I see what you guys are doing. Setting up your own "Hard Love" tribe to exclude the rest of us... :cry::cry:

Um, on second thought, :unsure:

You all be you. We're happy for you, and just want to be open minded and supportive!

from a safe distance... ;)
No one is exempt from hard love.......
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I think this is still in the spirit of WPAC as it concerns budget control and avoiding flipping...

I'd be interested to hear how you approach (relative to your own financial means) your personal limits on what is acceptable / prudent to spend on a watch?

Advice is often given (and I think I agree) that if your heart is set on watch A, then buying cheaper watch B (which is a bit similar but not as nice), in an attempt to scratch the itch, is a futile pursuit.

But if watch A is a Vacheron Constantin 222, then a lot of people (myself included) will need to accept that it won't ever happen and might choose to look for a watch that shares some characteristics but at a much lower price-point.

I was thinking one approach is to choose watches that are in your budget but have a design integrity or enough unique attributes that they don't feel like lesser versions of something else. G-shocks are good for this as they could be argued to be the best or most desirable of their genre. But steel sports watches? Pilot's watches? I think it's harder.
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Chr Ward C63 Sealander 36mm.

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Of all the colors released, when it comes down to it, this would be the one. Time was, I would have bought one on release, and here it is, offered in one of their special sales.

I still think it's a handsome watch, and even with female endlinks, would probably fit near perfect for me. I like the handset - even the trident on the end of the second hand doesn't bug me. The stub of index under the date window is the one thing missing from the Traska Commuter, Citizen Chronomaster AQ4020-54Y, and even my Seiko 5 SNKL41.

But... I just can't justify a purchase. And this one has the whole sale price FOMO going for it, too. From a few different 36mm mod builds, especially one with a Sub applied index dial and sword hands, to the BB36, there is just no need for this one... which if it was released a year earlier, could very well have scratched that itch.

It's very well done, no real faults to keep me from buying this one... just an acknowledgement that it would only ever be a second-tier watch among those I already have. So why bother...?
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I'd be interested to hear how you approach (relative to your own financial means) your personal limits on what is acceptable / prudent to spend on a watch?
After household needs are met, including all that boring, mundane stuff like savings, retirement, etc., modest expenditures are usually OK.
Or something might be saved-for, augmented with watch sales of lesser-loved examples.

Advice is often given (and I think I agree) that if your heart is set on watch A, then buying cheaper watch B (which is a bit similar but not as nice), in an attempt to scratch the itch, is a futile pursuit.

But if watch A is a Vacheron Constantin 222, then a lot of people (myself included) will need to accept that it won't ever happen and might choose to look for a watch that shares some characteristics but at a much lower price-point.

I was thinking one approach is to choose watches that are in your budget but have a design integrity or enough unique attributes that they don't feel like lesser versions of something else. G-shocks are good for this as they could be argued to be the best or most desirable of their genre. But steel sports watches? Pilot's watches? I think it's harder.
I would disagree with the futility of buying the cheaper watch. I have purchased cheaper versions of designs I admire, and in at least one case, came away with a cheaper watch that probably wears better and meets more of my criteria than the watch it might be accused of homaging.

Likewise, I bought the Pagani Design PD1717 - the Longines-Spirit copy design - and have to say, it is excellent value for money on its own. ...But a poor substitute for the real deal. It's a decent 38mm NH35-powered automatic, but it's nowhere near the 37mm Longines Spirit. That said, after living with the PD for a bit, and trying on the Longines... probably not, regarding the Longines. Lovely watch, heritage brand, if I had to get one, the 37mm Spirit would be the one to get, but... again, only ever a secondary watch to either the BB36 or the Sinn 656.

I had a San Martin 6105 in bronze for a while, which has saved me money, long-term, by not feeling the need to purchase and probably flip a real-deal Seiko SPB151.

Cheaper watches have their use. I'd lose more flipping a Longines than the PD cost... to find out that I'd probably end up flipping the Longines...
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No one is exempt from hard love.......
Exactly. Everyone gets a bit of your hard love.....
I think this is still in the spirit of WPAC as it concerns budget control and avoiding flipping...

I'd be interested to hear how you approach (relative to your own financial means) your personal limits on what is acceptable / prudent to spend on a watch?

Advice is often given (and I think I agree) that if your heart is set on watch A, then buying cheaper watch B (which is a bit similar but not as nice), in an attempt to scratch the itch, is a futile pursuit.

But if watch A is a Vacheron Constantin 222, then a lot of people (myself included) will need to accept that it won't ever happen and might choose to look for a watch that shares some characteristics but at a much lower price-point.

I was thinking one approach is to choose watches that are in your budget but have a design integrity or enough unique attributes that they don't feel like lesser versions of something else. G-shocks are good for this as they could be argued to be the best or most desirable of their genre. But steel sports watches? Pilot's watches? I think it's harder.
Very good question. I for one was very happy playing in the affordables end of the pool, when I started moving up the towards the luxury end (first Oris and then Tudor) it spoiled me for the affordables I think, since then there's very little that appeals in affordable ranges. Either designs are off or the quality is below what I'd want. If you've not been spoiled (or aren't like me) as it were then I'm sure you can find watches that can satisfy, it's just a matter of hunting.
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Exactly. Everyone gets a bit of your hard love.....
sharing is caring! 😘
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Very good question. I for one was very happy playing in the affordables end of the pool, when I started moving up the towards the luxury end (first Oris and then Tudor) it spoiled me for the affordables I think, since then there's very little that appeals in affordable ranges. Either designs are off or the quality is below what I'd want. If you've not been spoiled (or aren't like me) as it were then I'm sure you can find watches that can satisfy, it's just a matter of hunting.
I am in the same mid-range boat and it is heading down river to Luxurytown. Last night, I caught myself looking at vintage Vacheron Constantin but I was able to squash that by buying a $10 LEGO set.
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I think this is still in the spirit of WPAC as it concerns budget control and avoiding flipping...

I'd be interested to hear how you approach (relative to your own financial means) your personal limits on what is acceptable / prudent to spend on a watch?

Advice is often given (and I think I agree) that if your heart is set on watch A, then buying cheaper watch B (which is a bit similar but not as nice), in an attempt to scratch the itch, is a futile pursuit.

But if watch A is a Vacheron Constantin 222, then a lot of people (myself included) will need to accept that it won't ever happen and might choose to look for a watch that shares some characteristics but at a much lower price-point.

I was thinking one approach is to choose watches that are in your budget but have a design integrity or enough unique attributes that they don't feel like lesser versions of something else. G-shocks are good for this as they could be argued to be the best or most desirable of their genre. But steel sports watches? Pilot's watches? I think it's harder.
This is something that is very dependent on your personal situation I guess. What is acceptable to spend on watches depnds on a lot of factors:
  • What are the important things in life to you (beyond the necessities)?
  • Where do watches sit in that scheme of things? (if they sit near the top, we can cure you from that here 😇)
  • What is your dispensable income (after spending on necessities, and keeping some emergency reserves)
Following that, it shouldn't be hard to make a list of priorities, and see how far down the list of priorities your dispensable income will get you. If it turns out that watches actually go at the cost of more important things, you may conclude that you are spending too much on watches. If after all important things you've still got 10k per month left over, by all means, go buy a Patek :p

My current financial situation means that even for the things important to me in life, I need to save up. That doesn't mean I withhold from any frivolous spending, still need to enjoy life, but I'm very careful not to overdo it and let it go at cost of more important things on my list. Watches at this point are a pretty low priority, which is probably the main reason I have such a clean WPAC track record since the past few years :p
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But if watch A is a Vacheron Constantin 222, then a lot of people (myself included) will need to accept that it won't ever happen and might choose to look for a watch that shares some characteristics but at a much lower price-point.
I think you touched on a something that took me a very long time to learn in this hobby: I do not have to buy every watch I want, even if it is a grail watch. When I am dead and my collection is given to my family and friends, my journey as they say, is not likely to be any less satisfying without one specific watch. My tombstone will not say "He never overpaid for that limited edition JDM Seiko." (...and if it is somehow, the engraving better be misaligned!)
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