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The 2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club (WPAC).

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Welcome to the 2023 Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, otherwise known as WPAC. This is the 7th year of WPAC, which gives me pause to stop and think that I'm surprised it has lasted this long. We might just be onto a good thing?

I'm not intending to repeat the usual opening remarks, but if you're coming to this thread wondering what this is all about have a gander at the last couple of years WPAC threads:


.....obviously don't read them all, but the original, opening posts should give you a good idea. In short this is a thread for a like minded group of watch obsessed individuals who are generally trying to improve their watch buying habits. Anyone is welcome to join, but if you join we want participation and contribution!

In previous years we've had some rules, but this year there aren't going to be, there seems little point when we all have subtly (sometimes massively) different goals. If you are in serious horological trouble with buying then look back at the OP in previous WPAC threads, the rules should be a useful starting point if you want to get things under control or just shout out here to get some advice, it's what we're good at. Think of it like a clubhouse or a WUS subforum dedicated to being friendly, chatting about everything and anything and where you can find like minded watch fans.

Having said that, there is one rule I'd like everyone to adhere to; first post should be an intro with a SOTC picture (include everything, don't cheat) and some goals/aims for 2023. Whether you want to abstain completely, want to save for a special watch, just need to take control, slow things down or whatever, we'll be happy to have everyone. Just as long as you're clear on what your aims are.

Please participate in the thread, it's what makes it what it is. Any reasonable topic of conversation is acceptable and in fact welcomed.

Bashing of any potential purchases should still be a mandatory element, but let's keep it funny. Nuclear level bashing is required for any actual purchases.
Expect to be challenged by others if you're suggesting a purchase, whatever your personal goals/aims and expect to need to defend yourself.....

.....and with that I declare WPAC 2023 open for business. Yes, it's a little premature but I reckon I'll be quite busy after Xmas and between NY, so a little forward planning is required.
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No, contrary to common perception, WPAC is not primarily focused on watch collection reduction. It is a method that many members have employed over the years to allow them to better appreciate what they already own and reduce the temptation to buy more, but again WPAC has one foundation: Stop buying watches indiscriminately. A corollary is to carefully consider any purchases that you do happen to make and above all avoid impulse buying because you are depressed/drunk/bored/dopamine-deprived/whatever.

You bought no watch, so you are safe from the gulag. That's good, because it's pretty miserable here.
Well worded. We can also underline that this is Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, not We Hate Every Watch (however good that sounds). Flipping is bad, because it inherently causes a stir in the collection, excess cash and a "hole to be filled", that serve as means and justification for a possibly impulsive new purchase.
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No, contrary to common perception, WPAC is not primarily focused on watch collection reduction. It is a method that many members have employed over the years to allow them to better appreciate what they already own and reduce the temptation to buy more, but again WPAC has one foundation: Stop buying watches indiscriminately. A corollary is to carefully consider any purchases that you do happen to make and above all avoid impulse buying because you are depressed/drunk/bored/dopamine-deprived/whatever.

You bought no watch, so you are safe from the gulag. That's good, because it's pretty miserable here.
Well worded. We can also underline that this is Watch Purchasing Abstinence Club, not We Hate Every Watch (however good that sounds). Flipping is bad, because it inherently causes a stir in the collection, excess cash and a "hole to be filled", that serve as means and justification for a possibly impulsive new purchase.
Indeed! I have adopted the harm reduction approach to addiction recovery. Watch buying addiction does not map one-to-one to substance abuse but I think the general concept can be applied or at least worth attempting to see if it works for oneself.

Status report: I'm good. Earlier this week I had to pick up a few things, so I went to a mall that happened to have many watch shops. Obviously I checked them out, they had many of my current favourites - like the Longines Spirit and the Seiko Speedtimer - in stock. I looked at them, liked them, but it didn't even cross my mind to buy any of them. In my WPAC pledge I allowed myself two purchases this year, but only after my birthday. Not exactly the best solution, but seems to help keeping the impulse in check for the time being.

I also learned that in May I'm due to appear in court in Prague, Czech Republic in professional capacity. I like this, because I can add a day to my stay there and explore the area a little. I'm not that interested in Prague itself, already visitied it a few times, but prefer to roam a bit in the Northern part of the country where I've never been. Intend to cross the German border to visit Glashütte as well. I've never been to a town with that much watchmaking history and presence. I'm also looking forward to having a go on the Authobahn, the no-limit sections should be a blast on a fully faired sportbike. So far the only time I've driven it was 15+ years ago with a newish license in a small car and it was terrifying.
That is wonderful! I have heard great things about Prague, particularly its architecture and cafes. Will you be there around the time of your birthday? If you pick up an A. Lange & Söhne or G.O. while in Glashütte, I would not hold it against you even if could be, though not necessarily, counter to the WPAC philosophy. I think a positive association with a rare watch purchase can be a way to rewire, per se, your brain and rebuild a healthy relationship with watches with respect to your life outside of watches.
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I needed/wanted a protective container for my new Murph 38, as I go directly from school (I'm a teacher) to the gym. Had an Amazon gift card with some credits still on it, so picked up this Watch Pod and it only cost me $5. https://www.amazon.com/WATCHPOD-Sto...jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
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I'm also looking forward to having a go on the Authobahn, the no-limit sections should be a blast on a fully faired sportbike. So far the only time I've driven it was 15+ years ago with a newish license in a small car and it was terrifying.
Drive safely.... I never understood the pleasure of going fast on the German autobahn, especially on a motorcycle. Isn't the fun in making corners, rather than just going fast?

Up to 150kmh in a car is all I did, and that was plenty fast for me. Not for pleasure also, just to get to the alps more quickly :p At speeds of 180-200kmh you are going 100kmh relative to traffic on the right lane, which (esp. on a bike) is insanely risky imho; like going 100kmh right past a row of parked cars, but which aren't actually stationary.
On my motorcycle, 100kmh on the highway was plenty fast. Any faster than that it's just tiring on the arms. But I rode a chopper, so not exactly the kind of bike you'd want to do 200 on. Still, on a sportsbike I also wouldn't understand the joy of going 200 in a straight line, but I guess that's why my choice was a chopper.
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Solid purchase. I have tried countless single-watch travel cases and this donut-style case seems to be the most compact and allow me to (gently) toss into a bag or even put into the big pockets of my cargo pants. I sometimes pack one when I travel so when I go exploring a city, I can switch out my watch because, as you all know, being a watch enthusiast is silly so it should be fun.
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+1 on watch pods, got mine 1.5 years ago and couldn't be happier. Cheap, small and seem to last forever.
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Solid purchase. I have tried countless single-watch travel cases and this donut-style case seems to be the most compact and allow me to (gently) toss into a bag...
That's what I liked about this one - can drop it into my gym bag (or travel bag, for vacation) and I'm good to go. I was gifted the two watch version last year, so I'm all set for travel containers.
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I also learned that in May I'm due to appear in court in Prague, Czech Republic in professional capacity. I like this, because I can add a day to my stay there and explore the area a little. I'm not that interested in Prague itself, already visitied it a few times, but prefer to roam a bit in the Northern part of the country where I've never been. Intend to cross the German border to visit Glashütte as well. I've never been to a town with that much watchmaking history and presence. I'm also looking forward to having a go on the Authobahn, the no-limit sections should be a blast on a fully faired sportbike. So far the only time I've driven it was 15+ years ago with a newish license in a small car and it was terrifying.
I hope the trip goes well and is enjoyable.

Whenever I have the opportunity to revisit Prague there are only two mandatory in-town activities for me. 1) Visit Kepler's statue (yes really). 2) Stroll back across the bridge to have a pilsner and nice meal while gazing at the astronomical clock. I love that it was state-of-art in the 15th century, AND a true symbol of technological superiority. To me it also reinforces that our very notion of time is the byproduct of millennia of naked eye astronomy by many ancestral cultures.

I hope we can get a report back on the visit to Glashütte! That one makes me just a tiny bit envious...

As to high speed riding on the autobahn, I respectfully suggest you reflect on that . I serviced bikes in my youth, rode for more than forty years, and have enjoyed my share of track days. Going fast in a more-or-less controlled environment on a bike is my idea of a very good time. Mind you, the last time I had a bike on a track it was on an early 90's FJ1200. Back then you needed a 280 kg monster to develop 130 hp; it maxed out at about 135 mph (217 kph). Oh how technology has changed! A ZX 10 makes more than 200hp and weighs something like 70 kg less. :oops:

Anyhow, pushing the limits riding in an environment where someone not paying attention in an Opel Astra can sideswipe you? I'm not so interested. Handling the bike is enough for me, thanks. Maybe that's just a sign of age though, LOL. Please have a care while you're having fun!

As an aside, my SOTC-documented 2023 acquisition plan (the CW Sandhurst Series 1) arrived very quickly and in good order. So I'll be endeavoring to stay "on the wagon" for the remainder of the year now. Thanks in advance for your support, everyone!

Cheers
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Drive safely.... I never understood the pleasure of going fast on the German autobahn, especially on a motorcycle. Isn't the fun in making corners, rather than just going fast?

Up to 150kmh in a car is all I did, and that was plenty fast for me. Not for pleasure also, just to get to the alps more quickly :p At speeds of 180-200kmh you are going 100kmh relative to traffic on the right lane, which (esp. on a bike) is insanely risky imho; like going 100kmh right past a row of parked cars, but which aren't actually stationary.
On my motorcycle, 100kmh on the highway was plenty fast. Any faster than that it's just tiring on the arms. But I rode a chopper, so not exactly the kind of bike you'd want to do 200 on. Still, on a sportsbike I also wouldn't understand the joy of going 200 in a straight line, but I guess that's why my choice was a chopper.
Getting a corner perfectly was a joy, but the thing that always made me giggle was the insane acceleration......
.....really high speed just felt dangerous to me.
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Status report: I'm good. Earlier this week I had to pick up a few things, so I went to a mall that happened to have many watch shops. Obviously I checked them out, they had many of my current favourites - like the Longines Spirit and the Seiko Speedtimer - in stock. I looked at them, liked them, but it didn't even cross my mind to buy any of them. In my WPAC pledge I allowed myself two purchases this year, but only after my birthday. Not exactly the best solution, but seems to help keeping the impulse in check for the time being.

I also learned that in May I'm due to appear in court in Prague, Czech Republic in professional capacity. I like this, because I can add a day to my stay there and explore the area a little. I'm not that interested in Prague itself, already visitied it a few times, but prefer to roam a bit in the Northern part of the country where I've never been. Intend to cross the German border to visit Glashütte as well. I've never been to a town with that much watchmaking history and presence. I'm also looking forward to having a go on the Authobahn, the no-limit sections should be a blast on a fully faired sportbike. So far the only time I've driven it was 15+ years ago with a newish license in a small car and it was terrifying.
What bike do you ride? The last time I was on the autobahn on a bike it was a Moto Guzzi Breva 1100... Fun to max it out briefly but not the ideal tool for the job. I have an MT-09 now, which would be miserable flat-out for any significant length of time!

Corners are still where the most fun lies but there is definitely something thrilling about going fast in a straight line. Objects on the horizon hurtling towards you etc. Yes, you need to be careful but you can still enjoy the autobahn on a bike.

Have a great trip
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Drive safely.... I never understood the pleasure of going fast on the German autobahn, especially on a motorcycle. Isn't the fun in making corners, rather than just going fast?

Up to 150kmh in a car is all I did, and that was plenty fast for me. Not for pleasure also, just to get to the alps more quickly :p At speeds of 180-200kmh you are going 100kmh relative to traffic on the right lane, which (esp. on a bike) is insanely risky imho; like going 100kmh right past a row of parked cars, but which aren't actually stationary.
On my motorcycle, 100kmh on the highway was plenty fast. Any faster than that it's just tiring on the arms. But I rode a chopper, so not exactly the kind of bike you'd want to do 200 on. Still, on a sportsbike I also wouldn't understand the joy of going 200 in a straight line, but I guess that's why my choice was a chopper.
Honestly, driving the autobahn is just stressful anymore to me. Construction, big trucks, people in German luxury cars who ride right up your ass... I have more fun driving in the American west where the views are great, the speed is relaxed, there are neat sights to pull off and see, and hotels/motels regularly to stop at.
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I have more fun driving in the American west where the views are great, the speed is relaxed, there are neat sights to pull off and see
Indeed! All taken from the road in the US West.

Sky Mountain Natural landscape Bedrock Highland


Road surface Asphalt Plant Working animal Bison


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Indeed! All taken from the road in the US West.
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Those are some magnificent looking mountains, where is that exactly?
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Those are some magnificent looking mountains, where is that exactly?
First photo: Zion National Park, Utah.
Second photo: Yellowstone National Park, Wyoming.
Third photo: Grand Teton National Park, Wyoming.
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That is wonderful! I have heard great things about Prague, particularly its architecture and cafes. Will you be there around the time of your birthday? If you pick up an A. Lange & Söhne or G.O. while in Glashütte, I would not hold it against you even if could be, though not necessarily, counter to the WPAC philosophy. I think a positive association with a rare watch purchase can be a way to rewire, per se, your brain and rebuild a healthy relationship with watches with respect to your life outside of watches.
Careful, that's borderline enabling and Comrade Hard Love is always watching. If somehow he doesn't, the secret service, the stool pigeons or the voluntary informers surely do.
:)
In more seriousness, thank you for the kind words. Luckily the trip will be a week before my birthday, so no watch for me. The design language of ALS, GO and especially Nomos don't speak to me, which is for the best. Although there are a dozen more watchmakers there...

Drive safely.... I never understood the pleasure of going fast on the German autobahn, especially on a motorcycle. Isn't the fun in making corners, rather than just going fast?

Up to 150kmh in a car is all I did, and that was plenty fast for me. Not for pleasure also, just to get to the alps more quickly :p At speeds of 180-200kmh you are going 100kmh relative to traffic on the right lane, which (esp. on a bike) is insanely risky imho; like going 100kmh right past a row of parked cars, but which aren't actually stationary.
On my motorcycle, 100kmh on the highway was plenty fast. Any faster than that it's just tiring on the arms. But I rode a chopper, so not exactly the kind of bike you'd want to do 200 on. Still, on a sportsbike I also wouldn't understand the joy of going 200 in a straight line, but I guess that's why my choice was a chopper.
Don't get me wrong, I also prefer the twisties over the highway. Sitting like a bag of potato for extended periods of time is no fun on any kind of bike. The ones built for the highway, like Goldwings, would be better off with 4 wheels. I'd like to try it, that is all. Kind of a bucket list thing.

I hope the trip goes well and is enjoyable.

Whenever I have the opportunity to revisit Prague there are only two mandatory in-town activities for me. 1) Visit Kepler's statue (yes really). 2) Stroll back across the bridge to have a pilsner and nice meal while gazing at the astronomical clock. I love that it was state-of-art in the 15th century, AND a true symbol of technological superiority. To me it also reinforces that our very notion of time is the byproduct of millennia of naked eye astronomy by many ancestral cultures.

I hope we can get a report back on the visit to Glashütte! That one makes me just a tiny bit envious...
The astronomical clock is marvelous indeed. I've been to Prague a couple of times and always visited that, right before an hour change. The thing is more than 600 years old... older than most countries. Let that sink in.
My happy place in Prague is Vysehrad, the fort, the cemetery and especially the surrounding park. Legend has it that it was the place where they founded the city in the 8th (!) century.

What bike do you ride? The last time I was on the autobahn on a bike it was a Moto Guzzi Breva 1100... Fun to max it out briefly but not the ideal tool for the job. I have an MT-09 now, which would be miserable flat-out for any significant length of time!

Corners are still where the most fun lies but there is definitely something thrilling about going fast in a straight line. Objects on the horizon hurtling towards you etc. Yes, you need to be careful but you can still enjoy the autobahn on a bike.

Have a great trip
Thank you! I ride a 2021 Suzuki GSX 1300 R, also known as gen3 Hayabusa. The thing is great in a straight line, but even better on the winding roads, thanks to its stability, power and perfect balance. Last summer it was simply amazing in the Dolomites. It can go blisteringly fast, being electronically limited to 300km/h, I want to experience it once on the highway, then I'll go back to my law-abiding self and book some trackdays.
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Large capacity in-line 4s are an endangered species and I think Suzuki did a great job bringing the styling up to date whilst keeping it unmistakably a Hayabusa. I want to try one some day soon.

Rallyemenz treated us to a photo of his BRZ, perhaps once you're there you can ping us a pic that combines Hayabusa and Horology from Glashutte!?
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Large capacity in-line 4s are an endangered species and I think Suzuki did a great job bringing the styling up to date whilst keeping it unmistakably a Hayabusa. I want to try one some day soon.

Rallyemenz treated us to a photo of his BRZ, perhaps once you're there you can ping us a pic that combines Hayabusa, Horology from Glashutte all at 200kph!?
FTFY...........
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FTFY...........
ah yes, the classic speedometer wrist shot...
Ha, I had in mind it parked outside a factory or some such.

But yeah, it's got cruise control so go the whole hog. 200kph is leaving quite a bit in reserve mind you 🙂... Max it out for the public forum.
ah yes, the classic speedometer wrist shot...
.....classically taken as the last ever photo.
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