Ah the Dolomites. Fond memories of riding a bike older than me round those, Switzerland, Germany and France. Best 5 weeks of my life (possibly).
Out of curiosity, what sent the PRW-50 to the chopping block?15 watches, since I ceased to be a one watch man in July 2017. Beyond these there is a Citizen and a Hamilton I don't have photo of on this phone, two Garmins that I returned in a few days and one rare Casio that I sold on without wearing. Right now I own 4 of the watches below.
There are only 3 of the 11 goners I don't regret selling to some degree. The Samsung smartwatch because it was useless. The Garmin Fenix because the Instinct fit my needs better. The Longines Hydroconquest, because while it was a great watch, the Omega PO was the perfect upgrade. All the others have qualities I miss and this is a testament against flipping.
Thank you for the intention behind the thread and for keeping it motivated all this time.Apologies in advance as this might be a long one……
2022 was a difficult year for me in terms of watches and being stable in terms of purchasing, unfortunately in the latter half of the year I slipped back into some old and bad habits, something that I am not proud of at all. At the same time, the experience has made me realise that watches are on the verge of becoming toxic for me. That's not a good thing. One of the problems is, unfortunately, being here in WUS and whilst I stick to just WPAC, it still seems to be enough of a temptation to cause me issues. It's funny as there's nothing else in my life that has the same effect. I think that I use buying watches as a prop to distract from the week to week stressful events in my life, this unsurprisingly doesn't actually help at all, if anything it tends to make things worse; there's the self recrimination and the hassle of selling something I've bought but don't really like…..
OK, WPAC has helped enormously but I recognise I've still got a bit of a problem, so I'm taking the final step and I’m leaving. This is going to be hard, after so many years on WUS and having watches being a big interest in my life it will be difficult to cut ties, but I need to make a break from WUS and watches in general. What is probably going to be harder is leaving the WPAC community behind, as it has been a fantastic community of people that I will miss. I have toyed with the idea of just staying within the relatively safe boundaries of WPAC, but I’ve been doing that for 2 years and it hasn’t changed my habits, I’m too easily tempted even in WPAC by the constant discussion of watches. It’s time to get out of the “bar” to cure my addiction completely.
As well, to be honest, I think that I have had enough of watches, there’s nothing left for me in the “hobby”; I don’t want to tinker with watches, I don’t want to learn to service movements myself and I don’t have a huge interest in the history. So what’s left? Buying watches actually and I don’t want to do that anymore. It's getting to the stage of actually being toxic for me…….
I'm also starting to feel that my habit of wearing a mechanical watch on one wrist and my fitness tracker on the other is a faintly ridiculous thing. So, I'm leaving with the Helson Shark Diver 38mm Titanium, which I'll most definitely keep. I'm going to go back to just wearing my Garmin and nothing else and wean myself off watches, it'll be hard to break these ingrained habits……
…..however, I know myself well enough that I know that I'll buy something else, eventually, but not for a while. Anything else I buy will be only something that I can actually buy in a shop, no more of the online buying of a watch that I've only ever seen online in some airbrushed, touched up images which don't look or wear anything like you expected. Also, something that I'm not influenced by WUS (and all the other horological sites….) to buy.
So, it's goodbye and thanks for all the watches WUS and WPAC*. Good luck and I'll be missing you all.
* - I've got one more to sell so I'll be hanging around till that's done, but not participating.
Sorry for late response, quite a lot has happened in a day!Two things. First, the Garmin Instinct that does all ABC functions better. Second, I was on a mechanical streak and I thought the quartz second hand bothered me.
It was stupid, I should have given it more time before selling. I like its impeccable field watch style. Actually I sold it in December 2020 and seller's regret was so great that it made me re-think the buying-flipping cycle and joined WPAC January 2021.
Nowadays I'm considering the just-released PRW-51FC. However, don't want to make the same mistake again, I'm waiting a couple of months to see if the urge persists.
Pros: for once Zenith haven't butchered a watch with an incongruous date window.Speaking of bashing, I recently took the Zenith Chronomaster Revival Shadow off my grail list for the third time because I kept forgetting it has several dealbreakers (No hacking or seconds track?! WTF?!), but I think it is in need of a proper WPAC bashing. Have at it y'all!
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At least 50% of the collection appear to be rehashed Omega designs from the 50s and 60s with extra shiny dauphine hands.Personally I would have no trouble bashing a Grand Seiko - the incredible polishing lasts about 5 minutes until you scratch it up, they all have the same boring case, the model numbers are impossible to remember, the bracelet is generally considered to be sub-par, if it's a spring drive they have a hideously ugly power reserve on the dial, the water resistence is usually low, the best models are often limited editions that are difficult to get hold of, etc. etc., I could go on, if you're considering buying one
I don't think there's a single watch out there that everyone likes, you'll always find someone ready to bash it!
As @sinner777 says above, it's good natured friendly discouragement, rather than a personal attack -
Did you do a SOTC for 2023? I searched for a bit to decide how many G-shocks was reasonable... But have given up by page 6!GUYS!?
Should I buy another G-Shock?
This is a massive relief.G-Shocks don't count. Everyone in WPAC knows this.
Now, now. I won't hear a bad word said about velociraptor erotica.This has been a major problem ever since Amazon opened up to being a massive 3rd party platform. Original creators have their ideas stolen and sold for pennies, fakes everywhere, damaged goods being shipped, sales of illegal items, velociraptor erotica, etc.
Another thought I had, was have you ever worn / considered wearing the Citizen on a strap? You mention that you feel it overlaps with your Explorer. I saw the below Promaster on rubber and thought it looked great...Apparently you get one "one-in, one-out" exception in a year in WPAC. I think I'm going to have to use that.
At the moment I have a Rolex Explorer, a Cartier, a Casio, a Sinn and a Citizen. That's the limit for how many watches I would ever like to own in a collection. Ideally I'd like to get it down to 4 or 3 but I just can't get there yet. Anyway, my problem has ALWAYS been the beater watch of my collection (which I count - it's cheating if you don't consider a beater part of your collection). After trying a few mechanicals out as a beater, I finally learned I was most comfortable with a beater being a solar quartz.
Currently, my beater is a Citizen Promaster AT6080-53L, I bought it in Japan late last year. On paper it's an amazing watch for the price with a lot going for it - 39mm, eco-drive, JDM model, perpetual calendar, radio controlled, 20BAR, signed screw-down crown, all titanium build, sapphire crystal, Japanese day wheel, quick-adjust bracelet with solid end links. Only criticism I have is that the lume is not so great. It's a beater so a beater should be practical and tool-like and this Citizen has everything you would want in a reliable tool watch short of a G-Shock. But I'm just not feeling it. I think my main sticking point is I just think it feels too close to my Rolex Explorer I in style. Both are field-watches. Crazy, right? But that's what annoys me about the watch and I hate that it's a thing and it actually annoys me:
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I'm not a "tick a box" kind of watch collector, because I think you really have to buy watches that you think you will wear in regular rotation in your daily life, but the problem I have is you also need to be HAPPY with what you wear. So I'm thinking of selling the Citizen to fund a Seiko SNE585 in a kind of positional swap for my collection. On paper, the Seiko is an inferior watch. I'm not sure, but I could easily believe a Citizen Eco-Drive to be superior to any solar movement Seiko currently makes (correct me if I'm wrong). But the thing is, this Seiko just has that generic (but classic) dive watch aesthetic in a solar quartz package I think will work great as a beater and offer a watch that my small collection just doesn't have. I just wish Citizen used their amazing tech in watches that had more style and flair, because Seiko beats them every time.
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So that's where I'm at at the moment. Seiko has jerked me around in the past. I've owned 5 Seiko automatics and only one was a good experience (SARX055). Bad time-keeping and misalignments were the order of the day. Surprisingly, I've yet to see a misaligned Seiko 38mm solar diver and with a solar movement, my main bugbear about owning a Seiko is gone. But I kind of feel like a partner that ran away and is returning to their abuser. This whole situation is one big pain in the backside for me, considering all I have to do is basically NOTHING (save for the fact I can't get around to enjoying the Citizen I have).
I now have three DW-6900s and a Timex forming my collection. The G-Shocks are quintessential 'beaters' if you accept the term. But I have a favourite, so that doesn't get worn if I'm doing something I can foresee scratching it.To the points posted above I'll just that that Salmon dials will go out of fashion and look incredibly dated in 10 years, I guarantee it. Check back in 10 years if you don't believe me
100% agree, when I initially joined this forum I took as gospel that every collection needed a beater, so, after a bit of searching, I bought an Orient Kamasu. Nothing wrong with it, it's a perfectly decent watch that ticks all the boxes. But then I realized that there are very few activities I do where I actually risk damaging seriously my watch, and in those cases I can just take it off.... I found myself wearing it for the sake of it, when actually I'd rather wear a watch I like more. So out it's gone.
I guess it's different if you're driving fence posts every day - but I've never driven a fence post in my life, in fact I'd never even heard the term before joining this forum. I do occasionally go swimming, so I want enough WR to swim with, and a sapphire crystal to avoid 90% of scratches there - but at a push even this will do as my beater:
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A couple of years ago we went on a 3 week holiday and I forgot to pack the Orient I'd also intended to take, so I wore just this on a plain black rubber strap the whole time, including for trips to the beach, and it did just fine....
@Earthjade if it were me, I'd sell the Citizen and keep the Sinn, but I can see why you might ditch both. But I don't really see the point in getting the Seiko if you feel unsure...seems like you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Can't you keep one or other of the Citizen or Sinn until you find, in person, a watch that will definitely fill that spot with no quality issues?
You could pose a fair few horological questions where this lot are the answer: https://www.seikowatches.com/us-en/special/heritageI just think it's hard to imagine the horological question where the answer is a Seiko.
Where is your empathy?Seriously, the thirst is real and... just embarassing.
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I'm struggling to form a plan... So it can't hurt to give these questions some thought.What really helped me focus was honestly answering the following questions:
The answers were: I wanted a more minimal collection; I wanted watches that I felt represented who I am (and that I loved); and that I am an enthusiast. It gave me no pleasure to have a bunch of watches I didn't wear regularly.
- What do you want your collection to be?
- What do you want your watches to say about you?
- Are you a collector, or are you an enthusiast?