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Hello! (Thank you Ernie and Philip for your permission to post!)

I’ve been reading through this forum and love seeing all these entrepreneurs launching their new watches. It’s great to see the warm welcome and the constructive feedback exchanged here. I’m excited to announce my company, Vortic Watches, and our first line of watches called The American Artisan Series. I hope you all enjoy them as much as we love creating them!

Link to Kickstarter Campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/project...merican-artisan-series-custom-watches-made-in

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My friends and I started Vortic while we were in college. We’re passionate about the experience of designing, building, and wearing a watch. We love building new products and prototyping them using our 3D printers. We are also passionate about American manufacturing and the history of watch making in the United States. Our first products completely embody our brand and our mission. We’ve gotten an excellent response on Kickstarter so far, and cannot wait to get your feedback.

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We’ve sourced vintage mechanical pocket watch movements from some of the greatest American pocket watch companies; The Elgin Watch Company from just outside Chicago Illinois, The Waltham Watch Company from Boston, Massachusetts, and the Hamilton Watch Company from Lancaster, Pennsylvania. These timepieces have been salvaged from early 1900s pocket watches that were scrapped for the gold/silver value of their cases. We’ve partnered with professional watch makers to repair, clean, oil, and time these vintage movements and bring them back to life.

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I am an Industrial Engineer by trade, and in college I had access to cutting edge metal 3D printing technology. Our patent pending case design involves two overlapping pieces and a custom insert system. 3D printing allows us to custom make each case to accommodate for various setting types (pendant and lever set) as well as 12 o’clock and 3 o’clock crown locations. Our custom insert lets the vintage movements “float” inside the case between two Corning Gorilla Glass[SUP]TM[/SUP] crystals. It also allows us to make many different sizes and styles while offering the same price to any customer. We also offer a “mail order custom” where we’ll custom build a case and band for any mechanical movement you send to us.

My partner in crime, Tyler, is our designer. He’s our “artsy watch guy” type and just loves handcrafting one of a kind items. That’s why we decided to hand make our leather bands and watch boxes. He’s come up with a variety of classic, yet unique, buckle and stitching options so the customer can create their own unique band at their leisure. The leather for our bands is extremely high quality American hides, veg tanned in Italy, and hand cut and stitched in our workshop here in Fort Collins, Colorado. Our watch boxes are also hand made by a local Colorado carpenter using salvaged American walnut and hand cut leather straps.

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Because we are building these watches one at a time and have so many options for our customers to choose from, we decided to create a new experience in purchasing a watch. Each customer is able to build their unique, individually numbered watch from a list of all our components using our Decision Guide. Our early birds will get to do this “catalog style” as they’ll get their decision guide in the mail by Christmas. We’ve gotten great feedback about this idea so far, and we love it because this is how we’d like to buy a watch.

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I apologize for the novel, but you can probably tell how much I love talking about these watches! Below are some key specs, but you should view our Kickstarter campaign for all the relevant information. We are looking forward to your comments and feedback. Thank you for your time!


  • Elgin, Waltham, and Hamilton pocket watch movements
    • Varying sizes (6 through 16s)
    • Varying jewel counts
    • Available in lever set or pendent set
    • Available with 12 o’clock or 3 o’clock crowns
  • 316 Stainless Steel cases 3D printed and infiltrated with bronze
    • Small size diameter = 42mm
    • Medium size diameter = 47mm
    • Large size diameter = 51mm
  • Corning Gorilla Glass[SUP]TM[/SUP] crystals with oleophobic coating
  • Genuine American leather bands handcrafted in Fort Collins, CO.
    • Available in 22mm or 16mm

Link to Kickstarter Campaign: https://www.kickstarter.com/project...merican-artisan-series-custom-watches-made-in

-R.T. and the Vortic team
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I was very very interested... So much that i posted a thread about it some days ago.

I like the concept and the watches a lot.... however, the no warranty for movement statement was a no backing desition thought.

If you reconsider it i could pledge inmediatelly.


Wish you success anyway.



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Thanks for the feedback Dalsvla!

We are very confident in the performance of the timepieces as they were well made. However, they were made over 100 years ago, and they were designed to be pocket watches, so wearing them on the wrist will jar them more than usual. We've designed them to be a watch worn for special occasions and as a piece of history/artwork, hence "The American Artisan Series."

We're aren't worried about the watch, but the wearers. I'm sure you understand.
 

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How can you expect from a 1000 year old movement same Performance as from a movement from current production? The Vortic team was very open regarding that. You are buying an old pocketwatch converted into a wristwatch. How can he give you guarantee on something which is 100 years of age? I am sure they service the movement before selling but this does not mean that they can give you a guarantee of 1 or 2 years for the proper timekeeping and function of the movement. Buy the watch for what he is, namely a history on your wrist. Something which will never gonna exist again in this form.
 

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How can you expect from a 1000 year old movement same Performance as from a movement from current production? The Vortic team was very open regarding that. You are buying an old pocketwatch converted into a wristwatch. How can he give you guarantee on something which is 100 years of age? I am sure they service the movement before selling but this does not mean that they can give you a guarantee of 1 or 2 years for the proper timekeeping and function of the movement. Buy the watch for what he is, namely a history on your wrist. Something which will never gonna exist again in this form.
Don't be so melodramatic.

If the company doesn't have any confidence in their servicing and retrofitting, nobody should be surprised that I, as a potential customer, feel the same.

"He's just a witness"
 

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Wouldn't you be hit with a lawsuit with these watches? Especially Hamilton, since they are still in business hold the rights to the name.
 

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Wouldn't you be hit with a lawsuit with these watches? Especially Hamilton, since they are still in business hold the rights to the name.
No way. Vortic is not copying anything. No trademark infringement here. They are just using old pocket watches, bought from the market and put them into new clothes. That's it.
 

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Wouldn't you be hit with a lawsuit with these watches? Especially Hamilton, since they are still in business hold the rights to the name.
Interesting aspect. Since the watches do have 'Elgin/Waltham/Hamilton' on the dials, and not 'Vortic'.. might be an actual problem, yeah.
 

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Interesting aspect. Since the watches do have 'Elgin/Waltham/Hamilton' on the dials, and not 'Vortic'.. might be an actual problem, yeah.

Martin Braun made the same concept with IWC and Patek and other highend swiss manufacturers' pocket watches in his early years in watchmaking and there was no problem. Same Richard Paige is doing and also no problems so far. So please relax.
 

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So does Nis-chik have an interest in this company, or he is just doing some pro-bono work for them? You know what they say about free legal advice, it's worth just what you pay for it. If the company is at all concerned, they can probably get a good answer for the cost of a lawyer's hour.

Anyway, I love the idea of the watch.

I wonder what the engineering answer is to the multi-part case, though. Not sure if this was addressed yet, but is water infiltration an issue, or are there gaskets involved? Or maybe the issue is no more troublesome that the case back.

As for warranty issues, I'm not as chafed about the issue as some, but it is a bit much to sell a watch with no promise that it actually will work. As a business model, it's probably worth looking into the availability of extra movements that can be swapped into the cases in the event of a problem.
 

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So does Nis-chik have an interest in this company, or he is just doing some pro-bono work for them? You know what they say about free legal advice, it's worth just what you pay for it. If the company is at all concerned, they can probably get a good answer for the cost of a lawyer's hour.

Anyway, I love the idea of the watch.

I wonder what the engineering answer is to the multi-part case, though. Not sure if this was addressed yet, but is water infiltration an issue, or are there gaskets involved? Or maybe the issue is no more troublesome that the case back.

As for warranty issues, I'm not as chafed about the issue as some, but it is a bit much to sell a watch with no promise that it actually will work. As a business model, it's probably worth looking into the availability of extra movements that can be swapped into the cases in the event of a problem.

This one is for free. But thanks for the idea. Maybe I should get paid for my precious knowledge:))
 

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That's incredible to see Corning's Gorilla Glass being used.. that's definitely a first. Will have to wait to see the results as I'm not into it unfortunately but best of luck!
 

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it's been done a thousand times before by countless watch people both commercially and as a hobby. the Hamilton movements are reliable enough to offer some sort of warranty on even without shock etc. u rgonna need to sort the warranty out if u want to sell these at a premium else why wouldn't someone just by a case and movement (which r available high end via tourby or low end by helanarou) and do the whole thing themselves for a few hundred dollars.

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it's been done a thousand times before by countless watch people both commercially and as a hobby. the Hamilton movements are reliable enough to offer some sort of warranty on even without shock etc. u rgonna need to sort the warranty out if u want to sell these at a premium else why wouldn't someone just by a case and movement (which r available high end via tourby or low end by helanarou) and do the whole thing themselves for a few hundred dollars.

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Can't blame a guy for trying to make a buck. And the campaign smashed the goal. Not my cup of tea but glad they had a market of folks wanting them.
 
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