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The buck stops here! We put the first batch through their paces (accuracy results)

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Mark was good enough to run a very comprehensive test of each model this afternoon on our Timegrapher. I'll admit, it was killing us yesterday not to throw up an ad hoc version of this as we went, but I think most of you will find this information very interesting in regards to some of the accuracy concerns we've seen posted here before.

First up, the obligatory action shot of a sexy model at work:



We tested using the following procedure:

  • Each watch was wound 30 times and not given any settle down time. It was placed on the timegrapher microphone and testing began.

  • Each watch was tested in 5 positions, 30 seconds on each position. Crown Up, Crown Left, Crown Down, Dial Down and Dial Up.

Next, a control- the Rolex Daytona:



The Rate
is expressed in +/- Seconds per day.

The Beat Error is measured in milliseconds and basically the measurement of minute variations in the beat of the watch.

The Amplitude is expressed as the number of degrees of swing of the balance from rest (in the centered position) to the end of its excursion in either direction. In a healthy, freshly-serviced watch, amplitude should be between 275 to 310 degrees in the horizontal (dial up or dial down) position.

In a vertical position (crown down, left, up, or right), amplitude will drop about 45 degrees due to increased friction in the balance pivots. An acceptable minimum for vertical positions is about 230 degrees


Trace Quality is shown on the Timegrapher as a line or lines that show the +/- Rate, Beat error and pallet fork movement.

So.. how did we do?
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Very cool. Will you be testing each watch and shipping it with this card to show it was tested? That last Seamaster did pretty dam good, but why was the other so different?

Things seem to be coming along nicely, I'm pretty excited for you guys!
Excellent Chris, after you and Mark and finished with them I think all of us are going to be getting some really great watches. I am counting the days...:-!
Very cool. Will you be testing each watch and shipping it with this card to show it was tested? That last Seamaster did pretty dam good, but why was the other so different?
While we'd love to test each watch, right now it's about getting a general consensus for each different movement. We will offer the option (at a small cost) to have this done for individual orders, but testing each one before it ships will add up (time-wise, pun intended) in a hurry. :)

Our goal right now is to know (with certainty) that "X" will fall within a certain parameter. The more we can test and track these results the better.
Thanks guys. Let's keep the party rolling..

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seems like accuracy is pretty inconsistent, even on similar movements. Granted, a minute off per day isn't really that big a deal, especially when most of us will let the movement wind down while it's in the dugout.

If we have this timing data available for a fee, does that mean Alpha USA will adjust the watch, or at least find something that falls within an acceptable accuracy?

That timegraph looks like a fun toy. Wonder if I could get a hold of one for myself :think: :-d
If we have this timing data available for a fee, does that mean Alpha USA will adjust the watch, or at least find something that falls within an acceptable accuracy?
At this price we're not going to start tampering with the inner workings; best to send it back to the factory if there is a serious problem or have a qualified pro use this information to adjust it. Keep in mind that our main function is to push the manufacturer to produce a better product, not fix it ourselves.

If we can improve the line across the board, not individually, everyone wins. :-!
Keep in mind that our main function is to push the manufacturer to produce a better product, not fix it ourselves.
Sounds good to me :-!
I'm digging the transparency mate.
I'm digging the transparency mate.
That's the whole point.. everyone here should ask themselves where they have see such data from another company before.

It's very easy to market a product as 'high end' but at the end of the day the results speak for themselves; we're not that far off the Rolex mark, keeping in mind that we're only using one of them as the benchmark.
Re: Your words in writing - Rolex Daytona

Thank you, that's what I get when I can't sleep and I post.

My original post was an error and I have edited it.

[EDIT: Mods have deleted it. :) ]
Re: Your words in writing - Rolex Daytona

Thank you, that's what I get when I can't sleep and I post.

My original post was an error and I have edited it.
Nor worries, I know what lack of sleep can do:-d
I would almost dare you guys to throw my new Alpha GMT up on your time tester. It has four minutes slow the day I got it. :-(

The machine is a great start though. Good luck with everything. |>
If anyone has any doubts that Alpha USA is taking this venture seriously, the Timegrapher they are using cost about $2000.00.

Wes
If anyone has any doubts that Alpha USA is taking this venture seriously, the Timegrapher they are using cost about $2000.00.

Wes
Yeah I was checking them out on ofrei. The cheapest one is about $300 IIRC, and i'm kinda tempted to get one. But all the cheap one does is test accuracy, not beat error and amplitude. Seems like a simple thing for a piece of software to do with the right kind of microphone. Anyone heard of such a piece of software? I swear I've seen something like it in the watchmaking forum. Mebbe I'll go ask there.

But yeah that's a serious investment, which shows Alpha USA isn't screwing around (the trays full of watches are strong evidence, too lol)
Yea. Between buying the Timegrapher, the water resistance testing gear, The Rolex, Breitling and Maurice Lacroix, it's a pricey venture.
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