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[New to the forum so please let me know if this should be somewhere else]

Wondering about an online sale: Private seller listed a 1961 Swiss made Concordia chronograph 38mm with a Valjoux 7734 movement. Serviced in the last year and runs perfectly. Listed at ~$550 CAD.
I have never heard of Concordia before and can't find any info on them. I know the movement is good but I'm afraid it might be a frankenwatch (not necessarily a bad thing).

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Greetings. As per my earlier reply about a Minerva chronograph… most chronographs are actually assemblages, and that the key thing with most is the quality of the base movement, in the case of this Valjoux, a Valjoux is a Valjoux is a Valjoux and the name on the dial is not as relevant/important as it might be on simple (non-complication) watch offerings from most companies. So, it's not an Omega (fill in the blank), for example, with all (more or less) of the component parts made by them. Concordia were probably not a watch company as such, but were more likely to have been a sales or marketing company that put cases and movements together and commissioned the dials as appropriate.

At the upper end of complication movements, of course, there are modifications made which make a base movement more particular to the brand (lots of big names buy in base movements and then do significant work to make them their own), but most are more straightforward marriages made to satisfy a market demand, rather than a manufacture per se. My suspicion is that this is the case here.

So… if you're happy that the movement's in good shape and happy with the price, then… but I don't think it's a brand name as such, so enjoy it as such. The movement is still what it is, right?
 

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Thank you for that. I suppose the only question I have left is: do you think a Valjoux 7734 movement in good working order, minus any increase in value for the brand-name, is worth $500+?
 

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I couldn't say if it's worth it (there's a no valuation rule on this forum, for one thing) but I would suggest having a look on eBay to see what the apparent market price is. 'Completed Listings' is a great resource to research prices achieved.
 

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'Concordia' was a trading company based at Dortmund, Germany. Check it out on mikrolisk.de. I own a Valjoux 7765-engined Concordia chrono I had to have for obvious reasons :)

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As for the price: you'll soon find that $ 500 is about two or three times its market value, unless the case is massive gold (which I doubt). Keep in mind that you better plan for a service, too.

This Robur came at € 175:

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Great info from Tomcat! Didn't know about Concordia. But as to price, my quick scan across Valjoux 7734s currently on eBay, the price quoted by the OP (€350) was about right, at least 'according to that market.' Perhaps you got a good deal, TC! Love the look of your Concordia, btw.

'Concordia' was a trading company based at Dortmund, Germany. Check it out on mikrolisk.de. I own a Valjoux 7765-engined Concordia chrono I had to have for obvious reasons :)


As for the price: you'll soon find that $ 500 is about two or three times its market value, unless the case is massive gold (which I doubt). Keep in mind that you better plan for a service, too.

This Robur came at € 175:


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I'd say 350 Euros is OK but not cheap. The trouble is that the price is quite in order for a serviced watch - BUT on fleabay et al. you can never be sure that the thing has been serviced (and if it has, that it was done truly professionally). In other words: at that price, it's a bit of a gamble.

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I agree that eBay has its flaws and I'm no big fan of those aspects. But the original post had been, in part, about market value and so a poll across eBay vendor examples (some 'serviced,' some not) showed that the price was roughly the going price out there. You can't do a similar poll by going to Heritage Auctions, for example.

Cheap? I've learned that there are few 'cheap' watches out there – they tend to need expensive interventions which adds to the cost. Buying from a decent dealer who stands behind his serviced watches is the ideal, in my own opinion, but few here would go down that route, drawn like moths to the flame of eBay.

I'd say 350 Euros is OK but not cheap. The trouble is that the price is quite in order for a serviced watch - BUT on fleabay et al. you can never be sure that the thing has been serviced (and if it has, that it was done truly professionally). In other words: at that price, it's a bit of a gamble.

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Thanks for all the info guys.

Does it make the seller more legit (that the watch has actually been serviced) if he/the watch is selling on Chrono 24? Does that site have more reliable sellers than ebay? Also, he's offered the watch to me for $450 with insured shipping, should I be feeling more skeptical or just lucky?
 

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Can the seller prove that the watch has been serviced?
Can the seller provide movement pics?
Where is the seller based?
Do you deem the seller honest? (Note that the 'Trusted Seller' label on chrono24 is not worth very much - there ran a story two years ago that these labels were actually sold by the site owner (but I don't know what the outcome was).)

At the end of the day, you buy the seller. If you trust him, go for it - we all learned that € 310 (which is about what $ 450 Can equals to) all-in is a fair price for this watch, if serviced. (I wonder, however, if there's a speck of dust allowed to remain sitting prominently on the second hand, what may other, less visible spots of the watch look like ;-)).

Good luck!

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Once one begins to look more closely as Tomcat has done, more imperfections appear that mar the dial.
Upper edge of gold minute hand has small hair sticking to it, another beneath the "IN" of incabloc, the small minute recorder hand looks to be seated poorly and the crystal is chipped below the six position. Also the hour markers appear dirty/dusty, which does not bode well for any claims of a full C.O.A.
The watch still looks good, but the points brought up do help in gauging any honesty on the sellers behalf, and may help with a discount if you still want to buy this piece.
 
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