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Sup all,

I wrote a review of the Tisell Flieger a few days ago and posted it on r/watches, then thought I might as well contribute here too.
As a preface, I’ve had the Tisell 40mm Flieger in my collection for about 7 months now, during which it has stolen 90% of my wrist time. The model has been out of stock on the Tisell website for quite a while now, though I do hope they manufacture more and in case they do, I wanted to do a short writeup of my experience with the piece so far in case anyone is thinking about getting one in the future. If you will end up purchasing one from them, do note that it will be with a different movement (Miyota) than this version, which I believe is of slightly higher quality than the ST2130 in this one. The lume colour was also changed from green (my version) to blue (new version) as far as I'm aware.




Feel & Design


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When the watch first I arrived I was very impressed with its feel save for the strap, which though looked good, felt very cheap. At 40mm diameter and 50mm lug-to-lug, it is the biggest watch that I own but I feel it wears significantly smaller due to its slim profile and the curved lugs, which make the watch feel very thin compared to for example my Seiko 5 which is of equal height but feels much thicker.
I cannot praise the design enough. The dial and hands extremely legible, to the point where I am annoyed by a lot of my other pieces simply because they are not as quick to read nor as precise. The case as mentioned before is slim and there’s nothing I’d change about it. My feelings for the crown are much more neutral as in general I would prefer a screw-down, more “standard”-shaped crown. The crown works well in setting the time as it is easy to pull out, but it is not comfortable to wind and feels sharp when doing so. I don’t feel like this is a major problem though as far as my experience goes, I never have to wind it manually and it seems to have a very good power reserve though I haven't ever measured this precisely.




Overall build quality


The case of the watch is stainless steel and so far has done well. It has a lot of minor scratches but they are not really visible in everyday use and from a normal watching (heh) distance. This Flieger was my first watch with a sapphire glass and this is by far one of the most positive aspects of the piece for me. All my other watches show a ton of scratches, especially the Seiko 5 which is almost unusable at this point due to the scratching of the crystal. The crystal on the Flieger has yet to show any scratches at all, even when viewed under a loupe, even though I know and the case can testify that I bump it on very many things very often.


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The dial printing is extremely crisp and has a little bit of thickness to it when viewed from the side. The lume on the watch is usable and in a very dark room at night works very well. The legibility of the dial also means that at very low light it is still easy to read even without the lume being an active factor. However I am a bit disappointed by the lack of lume on the white seconds hand, which is lumed in the more expensive models like the one Stowa produces. Stowa on the other hand does not have lume on the individual minute indices, only on the hour ones, so overall I think I prefer the design choice made by Tisell here.


Functionality, timekeeping & movement quality


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In case I didn't make this clear enough yet, the dial is extremely legible at almost any condition. The only piece in my collection that can compete at all is my F-91W, which is not really a fair comparison.
In terms of timekeeping, the watch did insanely well for the first 3-5 months, gaining less than a second per 24 hours when used daily. Currently, about 7 months in, it is doing roughly 3-10s fast a day, which, given the hacking feature, is very easy to correct from time to time.
The feel of the movement – Seagull ST2130 – is something that I am very conflicted about. While in my view it has performed very well, it definitely feels cheap to use. Sometimes when you pull out the crown, the hacking feature does not work, sometimes it does. When putting in the crown, sometimes it does not go in all the way until you turn it a little bit and then push it down again. Winding is like hacking - sometimes it works, sometimes it does not and in general feels quite terrible. Setting the time works well and feels fine but it’s nothing to write home about.


Conclusion


Overall I am extremely satisfied with my experience for the price. After using it on the original strap for a week or so, I ordered a riveted 20mm strap from Stowa which I feel fits the watch perfectly, especially after combining it with a cheap deployment clasp. Until I can get my hands on a something higher-end, this will more than do and I can hardly recommend it enough if the model is ever restocked. I do plan to modify it in the future with the intentions of replacing the Seagull movement with an ETA one.


The whole album: Tisell Flieger Review - Album on Imgur
 

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Great review and photos. Personally i would prefer the Seagull ST2130 over the Myiota, the Myiota is nothing to look at and is noisy. Upgrading to an ETA movement defeats the purpose of buying Tisell in the first place. The straps are cheap so you have to replace it, $50-100 for a really nice one, and about $150-200 for an ETA movement , now your at about $500 for a "Tisell". The Stowa sells for about $800, much better build quality and it's a known German watch brand. The Stowa will hold it's value and you'll feel better wearing it.

I am all about value myself, but I am not sure all of these $200 watches are "good value"
 

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Thank you rafalema for the review!

I will gladly, respectfully, and partially disagree with gjs967's opinions (everyones entitled to their opinon so feel free to disagree or agree):

-The Strap - I did "upgrade" the strap but that was because of looks, $50-$100 for a "nice" one that will last isnt entirely accurate either as even my $2 natos are going strong as a daily beater. Maybe that stock Tisell strap was no good but i sold that when it was new so I cant comment. Im skeptical a $50 will outlast a cheaper $10-$30 variant.
-The Movement - ETAs are "better" movements so Im in agreeance there. But you better remember to account for the cost of the ST2130 that is already in here worth maybe $60?
-The Build - "much better build quality" where? The case? The stem? Lugs? Sapphire quality? Is the case mis-shapened to be an oval? Id vote that they are on the same level, sans-movement. This Tisell is as rock solid as my Omegas.
-The Name - Well known brand and feeling better about it? It may hold resale value but then again, im looking at currently sold Tisell pilots and they are holding pretty well in my opinon. You spend more on luxury items but also with depreciation, lose more even if the purchase to loss ratio is the same as a cheaper variant. Vanity at most imho. Ill take that savings and have myself many nice dinners and feel great going to those restaurants wearing my Tisell.

So really, my opinion is that $500 is an overestimate. If you swap an ETA into this (if you can even do that) and get a "nice" strap you are looking at a $350 watch. So for what it features and what it comes with. Yes, absolutely, it is an excellent value.

Nice watch indeed. Have had mine for over 2 years now and got it back eons ago when you had to know someone in korea to source it for you from tisell. He wouldnt even talk to people from the USA that directly emailed him! Go figure. Back then they also had a 42mm version which i also considered and had a more appealing case design but I opted for this smaller 40mm version due to it being bezel-less, therefore looking larger than it would be on my skinny wrists. My lume is bright and lovely green. Crystal is sapphire and still without a scratch! Downright the best watch I have ever owned for $180. Excellent value and quality. Ive debated over the time ive owned this to "upgrade" to a stowa or a laco and really, it wouldnt be an upgrade at all because this watch is all that. Imho a serious competitor with a lesser name of course.

FYI, Theres a huge thread available for those that want more info and pics: https://www.watchuseek.com/f7/tisell-pilot-heat-treated-blue-hands-936912-2.html

My own unboxing: Tisell Pilot with heat-treated blue hands - Page 2

On a stowa strap!
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This was featured on Watchuseek's facebook so I wanted to comment and give an update.

The watch is still by far my favourite and I wear it daily - even the STOWA leather strap is still the same one that I use. Since this post, I've upgraded the watch with an ETA 2824 as well as a higher quality deployant clasp :)
 

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This was featured on Watchuseek's facebook so I wanted to comment and give an update.

The watch is still by far my favourite and I wear it daily - even the STOWA leather strap is still the same one that I use. Since this post, I've upgraded the watch with an ETA 2824 as well as a higher quality deployant clasp :)
Thanks for the update. Looks great on that strap.
 

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This was featured on Watchuseek's facebook so I wanted to comment and give an update.

The watch is still by far my favourite and I wear it daily - even the STOWA leather strap is still the same one that I use. Since this post, I've upgraded the watch with an ETA 2824 as well as a higher quality deployant clasp :)
NICE! Did you have to get a new spacer?
 

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Hi all, I just got this flieger type b from tisell. I won’t re hash previous comments but wow, what a watch for the amount of money. Looks gorgeous. However Lug tips are extremely sharp, so gotta be careful but it won’t hit your wrist while wearing it. I just got the watch and may round them off if I decide to keep it. Also the shipping was insanely fast from Europe. Got to me in California in 3 days. Happy I discovered this watch as it’s not talked about much.
 
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