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I’ve been selling watches now for almost ten years and Tissot is a brand that I’m quite familiar with. Admittedly, there aren’t many models that really thrill me, but I have to hand it to this brand for its build quality and innovation with models such as the T-Touch and Silen-T series.
However, I’ve always admired Tissot’s Heritage Collection for their authentic reproductions of past models and I was seriously considering buying a 150th Anniversary Commemorative Edition a few years ago.
Pic courtesy of Tissot

Instead, however, I acquired a few vintage Omegas and Tudors along the way. Recently, I wound up getting one of these off the ‘bay and I’ve no regrets.


It’s a Lanco hand-wound from circa 1960 or later, but it does give the impression of being from the early to mid Fifties. Great watch and it satisfied my urge for an ‘old-school’ looking watch with a sub-seconds dial.
So anyway, in recent months, I began thinking seriously about the Heritage Sovereign.

Pic courtesy of Tissot

Another great auto from Tissot. I was basically looking at something that had a vintage watch look without actually being vintage. But I’m not a real fan of Roman numerals on watches. However, this Tissot had a real 1940s Patek Philippe vibe going on and it looked much like the original watch that inspired it.
After a few weeks, I didn’t think much more about it. Then I got a call from a customer who was chasing a Tissot that had appeared in the watch supplement of a local financial newspaper. I didn’t know what he was talking about until I turned to my copy of this supplement and saw this picture.
Pic courtesy of Tissot

Wow! That’s a nice watch, I thought to myself. How did I miss this one? I made the necessary call to Tissot to find out about price and availability for my customer. They had one model in stock. I ordered it for him. When it arrived a few days later, I couldn’t stop looking at it. I tried it on. At 40mm, I felt it was a little large for this style of watch, IMHO, but a good size that is in keeping with the modern trend for larger watches. Besides, if it were 37mm or less, it would be too similar to most of my vintage pieces.
I had a closer look at it. The Tissot Visodate 1957 Heritage Automatic (Model No. T 019.430.16.031.01).
I’ve always been a fan of design from the 1920s through to the early ‘60s and I’ve sometimes thought that I was born about 50 years too late. This watch’s overall appearance is a nice throw-back to what has recently been termed “Eisenhower Chic”, which covers the period from around the mid ‘50s to the early ‘60s when JFK became President of the United States. The popularity and influence of the tv series “Mad Men” has only added to a wide-spread interest in clothing and design from this era. But I digress.
As I was saying, I looked a little closer at this watch- Nice clean pearlescent-silver dial with applied Tissot logo in the older-style font. Shiny steel dagger-shaped hands, convex sapphire crystal and a nice little indent or ridge design to the lugs where they join the case sides. Attached to this watch was a pleasant brown leather strap with croco pattern embossed in it and a deployant clasp. I’m not a fan of deployant clasps, TBH, but that’s a minor, minor quibble.
So I spent a week or so figuring out my finances and then I placed an order. I knew it would take at least 4-6 weeks for this watch to arrive. It seems that there is quite a high demand for mechanical Tissot watches and supply can tend to be a little slow. You need to remember that The Swatch Group supplies ETA movements to all of its in-house brands, such as Longines, Rado and Hamilton so there can be a delay when it comes to fulfilment of orders world-wide.

I used to have a '60s vintage Visodate Seastar Seven.



I sold it about a year ago. In hindsight, I think it was a bad idea, but it too closely resembled my Omegas and Tudors and I had begun to find that my collection was getting repetitive. I hope its current owner is getting a lot of enjoyment out of it.
Sure enough, approx six weeks passed and no watch yet. I called Tissot. They said it was due any day now, but that there had been a running change made to the reference number of this watch because the lugs had been changed. Huh?
I got home that night and checked Tissot’s website and this is what I saw.

Pic courtesy of Tissot


Looks like the case sides have been changed. Hmm. I wonder why they did that?
The reason appears to be along the lines of “to preserve the flow of the lugs into the case” or something like that. I totally understand the logic behind that, but the lug shape was one aspect of this model that really complimented the overall look of this watch. Although, this Visodate oozes so much cool that this change in design was not a deal-breaker for me.
A few days later, it arrived. And once again, I said “Wow!” Yes, I wish the lug design had not been changed, but the overall look and shape of the case is nothing short of fantastic.
From the thin crown to the domed crystal to shape of the hands, you can see 1950s design elements all over this watch. And yeah, the lug ridges are indeed gone.



“Sheldrake wants me to invest in something called ‘computers’. Fat chance! The guy thinks he’s Buck Rogers. Jerk. This is 1957, not 2057. He’s gonna lose everything. I’ll stick with this compressed card-board jet fuselage outfit out of Pasadena. Now that’s the way of the future. Gonna be big. You better believe it.”

But it’s still a nice watch. The hands are slightly faceted so that they reflect the light back at you for easy daytime readability. I say ‘daytime’ because there’s no SuperLuminova on these hands at all. But then, it’s not meant to be that kind of watch. The second hand is very long. Goes almost right to the edge of the dial and has a slight downward curve to it at the tip. The counterweight has a nice spear shape to it.
And the applied logo on the dial? Almost worth the price of admission itself. Absolutely beautiful. Tissot should have kept this style instead of the bland upper-case TISSOT font that they use. Below this is the name VISODATE in no-nonsense upper-case script and at the six o’clock end, the word ‘automatic’. Very business-like and nicely done. Excuse the color in the photograph below. It’s not representative of what this watch dial looks like, but it does give you an idea of how clean the dial looks. Some folks would say ‘boring’ when they see a dial like this. I hear it said all the time about the Jaeger-Le Coultre Master Control, the first generation Omega AquaTerra and even the Rolex DateJust. I don’t think there is such a thing as a boring watch dial. It’s not up to a watch to be exciting or interesting. It’s up to the person wearing it.
Oh yeah, disregard the reflection of the kitchen light and my head in this photo, too.



Wait a second, here’s a better shot of the dial which gives a clearer
representation of its true color. Love that applied logo.



About the day-date function;



Some people aren’t fans of it on a watch that has such an old-school look. But I find a day-date watch invaluable on the day after a public holiday. You know what it’s like. You get a three-day weekend and you turn up to work on Tuesday, but it feels like a Thursday. Really handy when you have to go to work with a hang-over...so I’m told. And I’m a sucker for a red SUN on the date. This date wheel also has the option of a number next to each day of the week, much like many Seiko day-date watches.
As for the movement, this watch houses the ETA 2836-2 automatic calibre. Perhaps it’s considered bottom of the range by some, but it’s still an easy calibre for any competent watch-maker to work on. Time-keeping-wise, I haven’t checked it properly, but it seems to hover around -10 to -15 seconds per day. Not a disaster, AFAIC, because I could get it regulated to a tighter tolerance if it really bugs me. I’ll give it a proper time test some day. But accuracy is not why I bought this watch. It will be worn sparingly in rotation with my other watches. Strictly business.



One thing to note about the case-back- there are no screws securing it to the case and no jeweller’s tool recesses in it. This is a press-in case back, from what I can tell, and is probably the main reason for the 30m water-resistance of this watch. The closest this watch should come to water is the ice in your double scotch.
Probably the only real thing about this watch that I’m not a fan of is the folding clasp.



I love the engraving, but, given the choice, I would have preferred a simple pin buckle, so that I could lay the watch down flat like this when not in use.



But this is a minor gripe.
Despite the change in lug design, I have to say that the finish on the case is truly exceptional.



“Cary just finished filming with Hitchcock. After all I’ve done for him, this is what he gives me. An ashtray, for cryin’ out loud! Probably stole it, the cheap s.o.b!”

I’m not sure if my photos can do it justice, but the highly polished finish really compliments and suits the watch. There are no brushed or matte surfaces on this case. As such, fingerprints will show up easier. Again, this doesn't bug me a great deal. What concerns me more is the risk of scratching the case. Sure, they can be polished out, but this watch looks so good when it’s new that I don’t want to wear it too often for fear of putting too many scratches into it through normal daily wear. You’d be surprised how easy it can be to damage your watch when working in a watch store.
The case shape, when viewed from the side, is interesting. It doesn’t have a straight up-and-down design to it, but instead slopes down at a slight outward angle.


Another interesting design element. Notice also the sapphire crystal.



It has a slightly convex curve to it which will assist in deflecting glancing blows to some extent. Hard to tell in this photo. Also, you can see the minimally raised edge of the crystal. I have found that most customers who chip the sapphire crystal on their watches invariably do so along the outer edge. No problem. I’ll just have to be careful. Mental Note: Don’t wear Visodate into warzones. Hey, check out the crown’s reflection in that case’s mirror-finish!
And speaking of the crown, here’s a close-up. Presented to you in glorious VistaVision! Notice the use of the same font for the ‘T’ as they used on my vintage Seastar Seven above? As an aspiring screenwriter, I love continuity.







GRATUITOUS SHOT OF VISODATE WITH 1950s VINTAGE DRINKS TRAY
Who needs a reason to include this one? Apologies for the lousy picture of the watch, btw.



“The Bogarts came ‘round for a night-cap about 1 am. My God, Bogie can still put away Jack Daniel’s like nobody else I know. That cancer of his has got its work cut out for it. He ain’t goin’ down without a fight. And that Betty Bacall, wow, she’s a rock! Just the kinda’ gal Bogie’s gonna need in his corner in order to beat this thing.”

I have to say this is a dressy watch.



But it actually works very well in less formal surroundings.
Here it is in all of its 40mm glory up against my 6.5 inch wrist.


I think it will be a nice watch to wear this coming Spring/Summer. Understated in its design. Short and to-the-point in its functionality.



Here’s another badly taken photo for atmosphere.



“The commies just launched something called ‘Spuntick’ or something like that. I heard it on the radio. They’re saying it’s just a satellite. Sure it is. We gotta put a guy on the moon. And quick. Show these Rooshians how it’s done.”


CONCLUSION
The Tissot Visodate is a great watch for the money. Looked at closely, you begin to wonder why a similar watch like the TAG Heuer Carrera automatic sells for over three times as much. Either the TAG is greatly over-priced or the Tissot is an absolute steal.
The look of the watch can be compared to something like J-LC’s Master Control, which sells for ten times as much. However, Jaeger-LeCoultre is a watch manufacture which produces its own calibres that exceed COSC specifications and I don’t think that Tissot is trying to compete with them. The Jaeger is a thinner watch, for one thing. The only real similarity shared by the two watches is in their appearance. This is something that could have been said about many watch brands throughout the ‘50s and ‘60s.
In terms of looks and build quality, the Visodate is a lot of watch for the money. A quick look on the web shows that it’s a little cheaper to purchase than something like the Hamilton Jazzmaster or Viewmatic. I haven’t handled the Hamiltons, but based on photos, the build quality appears similar. The same can be said for Oris with their Artelier range. A very well made watch, but even the Artelier series sells for almost double the cost of the Visodate.
Usually, a brand may cut corners when it comes to bracelet build, sturdiness and quality. When a watch is on a leather strap, however, this is no longer an issue and the Visodate’s strap is calf-skin (or buffalo) with a crocodile pattern stamped into it. That suits me fine. This also helps to reduce the cost of this watch.
All in all, the Visodate represents a great value for money with a watch that is a faithful reproduction of the original design from the 1950s. The main concession to modern times (aside from the sapphire crystal and movement, perhaps) is the upgrade in size from what might have been 34mm-36mm to around 40mm with this modern version.
Make no mistake. This watch is no solid white gold Chronometer on a genuine alligator strap. It’s a nice, well-made, exceptionally well-priced dress watch designed in the spirit of a by-gone era.
If I could use some other analogy, I would say this watch is like a business suit.



It’s designed to help you look a little sharper than you may already look. It’s designed to look more expensive than it really is. And I personally think that it’s designed to be a great introduction to automatic watches if all you’ve ever worn is quartz. And this is something that the Tissot brand does exceptionally well. It introduces quality Swiss watchmaking to a broad audience at an affordable price.
That’s just my 2c...but I earned it selling watches.
Thanks for reading.










 

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Thanks for the great post, I really enjoyed it :-!

I'm myself a longtime Tissot wearer, I like the way Tissot uses dates disc with Sunday in red, my Seastar II even has the day number (1 for Mon, 7 for Sun...) and it's extremely useful for me.

 

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Great review and it does look sharp. I've had the benefit of seeing and trying one of these in person, and it is well worth the money. Do you know if the display back is also sapphire crystal or is it mineral crystal? Can you let us know the lug width of the new Visodate.
 

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Excellent watch-Excellent review!
 

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Thanks for a great review, both in terms of watch content, but as importantly (to me) capturing the spirit of the watch design and influence (including the clever mis-en-scene in your pics as well). I've been eyeing these and the similar Hamiltons for a while... you might have just pushed my over the edge...

Cheers,
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A proper review! that certainly is a lot of watch for the money [ive seen them for around £275 here in the u.k....a steal.
I have a 1969 Omega seamaster , and this is very similar albeit on steroids, and its the vintage look that i love and will definately be buying one, just dont know if to get silver or black? :-!
 

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Thanks for the excellent review and pictures!

I'm hesitating between this and the lelocle for my dress watch. The Le Locle can be had on both leather & SS, whereas this is only leather, difficult choice to make!

How do you feel about the le locle as a watch vendor? How come you picked this one over it? I do agree, this dial looks prettier without roman nrs.
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Re: Tissot Visodate 1957 Heritage Collection Automaic - REVIEW

Great review and it does look sharp. I've had the benefit of seeing and trying one of these in person, and it is well worth the money. Do you know if the display back is also sapphire crystal or is it mineral crystal? Can you let us know the lug width of the new Visodate.
Can't tell if the case-back is sapphire or mineral. Lug width is 20mm.

Thanks for a great review, both in terms of watch content, but as importantly (to me) capturing the spirit of the watch design and influence (including the clever mis-en-scene in your pics as well). I've been eyeing these and the similar Hamiltons for a while... you might have just pushed my over the edge...

Cheers,
HBL
Thanks again, HBL! I left a better response to you in the Omega forum.

A proper review! that certainly is a lot of watch for the money [ive seen them for around £275 here in the u.k....a steal.
I have a 1969 Omega seamaster , and this is very similar albeit on steroids, and its the vintage look that i love and will definately be buying one, just dont know if to get silver or black? :-!
My only problem with the black dial is that the hands can get lost in it. Definitely try both of them on before deciding.

Thanks for the excellent review and pictures!

I'm hesitating between this and the lelocle for my dress watch. The Le Locle can be had on both leather & SS, whereas this is only leather, difficult choice to make!

How do you feel about the le locle as a watch vendor? How come you picked this one over it? I do agree, this dial looks prettier without roman nrs.
:thanks:thanks
I don't mind the Le Locle. It's a great watch, but if I had to choose an older styled watch with roman numerals, I would probably go for the Longines Master Collection. This, however, is a much more expensive watch than the Le Locle. I have to say that the Le Locle is a very steady seller in my store as it represents a very nice dress watch for a very good price.
 

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You make a very convincing argument. Surely the 2836 is yards better than a 2824 due to instantaneous date change, not bottom of the barrel?
 

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Thank you, teeritz, for this fantastic review!

Visodate 1957 is one of the few new mechanical watches I like.
 

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Your review's as slick and sharp as the watch. Great job teeritz!

I'm actually going to make a Tissot purchase soon but not quite sure which particular model yet. I've been set on getting a chronograph, specifically the PRS200; but somehow gained interest on the Visodate which further increased with your review. I'm checking out the black dial on black leather one though.

Since you've got some experience with the timepiece, I'd be glad if you were able to shed light on some of my queries. First, is it advisable for the watch to be winded by gently shaking it from side-to-side? Also, is the Visodate able to be winded with an affordable watch winder (probably a Belocia or something along those lines)? Lastly, certain pictures of the timepiece I see on other sites (even the official Tissot site) don't have the "Swiss Made" lettering on the bottom of the watch. I was wondering whether this was region-specific, or the lettering is simply just not seen in certain angles. Do all releases of the Visodate have the "Swiss Made" lettering? Apparently, the one you picked up has it.

I'm had experience with Japanese automatics, but haven't owned a Swiss Automatic yet and am not too familiar with the maintenance and care of ETA movement watches.

Thanks...
 

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You make a very convincing argument. Surely the 2836 is yards better than a 2824 due to instantaneous date change, not bottom of the barrel?
A watch-maker once told me that the 2836 was the lower of the ETA movements, but he didn't elaborate. Maybe I should ask him again.:think:

Teeritz, are you holding a revised model? Below is the fancy lug, as originally marketed:
Yes, my one is a revised model with a change to the design of the case sides, but this is further covered in the review.
Shame, really.

Your review's as slick and sharp as the watch. Great job teeritz!...

...Since you've got some experience with the timepiece, I'd be glad if you were able to shed light on some of my queries. First, is it advisable for the watch to be winded by gently shaking it from side-to-side? Also, is the Visodate able to be winded with an affordable watch winder (probably a Belocia or something along those lines)?
Okay, davevv, this is what I tell all of my customers. I'm sure there are folks here who may disagree, but I deal with people every day who are not watch experts and some of them tend to worry when they are spending this kind of money on a wristwatch.
If the watch is not ticking, wind it by hand. Anytime the watch stops from not being worn, just wind it about 15 or 20 times and then put it on your wrist. Shaking the watch gently from side-to-side is like trying to start your car with half a glass of fuel in the tank.
I'm sure the Visodate will wind up on a watch winder, but I'm told by many that the affordable watch winders do not tend to last very long. Me personally, I'm not a fan of watch winders (cannot stand them, actually) because they remove you (the owner) from interacting with your watches. However, I fully understand if people want the practicality that comes with a watch winder. You can just wake up in the morning, take your watch off the winder and it's all set and running. Me, on the other hand, I set my watch the night before and have it ready for the next day. It's a habit I got into a long time ago.
But if somebody tells you that a watch needs to be on a winder in order to reduce service intervals or to keep the oils from drying out, well I just don't believe that. I have numerous watches from the 1950s and '60s and none of them have ever been on a winder.
So, daveww, if you can set your watches the night before, you won't need a winder. If you want to have your watches ticking 24/7 and ready to go at a moment's notice, then get a winder.
To each, their own.

Lastly, certain pictures of the timepiece I see on other sites (even the official Tissot site) don't have the "Swiss Made" lettering on the bottom of the watch. I was wondering whether this was region-specific, or the lettering is simply just not seen in certain angles. Do all releases of the Visodate have the "Swiss Made" lettering? Apparently, the one you picked up has it.
I'm had experience with Japanese automatics, but haven't owned a Swiss Automatic yet and am not too familiar with the maintenance and care of ETA movement watches.

Thanks...
I think the "SWISS MADE" is just hard to see from certain angles.
As for maintenance of ETA movements, just get them serviced every three to five years and you should be fine. You could even push it to six or seven years, but your servicing costs may be a little higher.
I tell customers to put away $10 a month and they'll have the money ready for servicing when the time comes.

Best of luck if you decide on the Visodate. It's a great dress/business watch.
 

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Teeritz I would like to thank you for this great review. I have been looking for an automatic watch for a month or two now at a price range up to £500, never owned an automatic and after looking around a bit I fell in love with the design of the visodate but not a lot of useful info about it on the interwebs...until now.

I was between a christopher ward, hamilton or the visodate but your review just solidified my decision. I will most probably go for the black dial/silver design for the more edgy look and i'm sure it will look great as an everyday and more dressy watch. Personally I hate how the dials of watches today have become very busy, so wanted something minimal, but the day and date look good on this and I love the whole retro feel.

Cheers again, and maybe when I receive it I will post some pics on a more meaty wrist :p
 

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Great review, I love the illustrations and props. You obviously spent a fair bit of time on it. Thank you.

I am very interested in this watch. I liked it the moment I saw it here on the forum. My local dealer isn't stocking it, though, and when I asked why, the salesman said it was because there was another automatic Tissot for less money that was a top seller for them. He said they doubted whether the Visodate 1957 would sell as well.

I don't agree with them. But I don't remember which model he mentioned. Anyone have any idea?

Peace

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Great review, I love the illustrations and props. You obviously spent a fair bit of time on it. Thank you.

I am very interested in this watch. I liked it the moment I saw it here on the forum. My local dealer isn't stocking it, though, and when I asked why, the salesman said it was because there was another automatic Tissot for less money that was a top seller for them. He said they doubted whether the Visodate 1957 would sell as well.

I don't agree with them. But I don't remember which model he mentioned. Anyone have any idea?

Peace

Mike
I think he meant the lelocle, but if you see the two watches, they are very different in looks. so it is really two different watches. I`m still hesitating between the two, though the visodate is winning after this review... saw it in the aiport at a discount, might pick it up on my way home in 5 days....o|
 

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So, daveww, if you can set your watches the night before, you won't need a winder. If you want to have your watches ticking 24/7 and ready to go at a moment's notice, then get a winder.
To each, their own.

I think the "SWISS MADE" is just hard to see from certain angles.
As for maintenance of ETA movements, just get them serviced every three to five years and you should be fine. You could even push it to six or seven years, but your servicing costs may be a little higher.
I tell customers to put away $10 a month and they'll have the money ready for servicing when the time comes.

Best of luck if you decide on the Visodate. It's a great dress/business watch.
Thanks for the informative reply teeritz. I'll definitely take note of your advice when I decide to get a Swiss Automatic. Always appreciate help from experienced users and "watch-professionals;" so-to-speak. Keep enjoying that Visodate of yours, it sure is a keeper.
 

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A watch-maker once told me that the 2836 was the lower of the ETA movements, but he didn't elaborate. Maybe I should ask him again.:think:
I think I would disagree with that watchmaker, the 2836 is the best ETA movement of all times. Maybe he used to work on standard version of the 2836 (no decoration, unsigned rotor...), not the Top/Chronometer grade ?
 

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They are all great watches, I especially like the Lanco though. I'm new to this forum and I like the fact that everybody seems to know what they are talking about.
 
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