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Traits of a Raketa 24 hour watch

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I want some concrete information on the Raketa (Paketa) 24 hour watches so that I (and anyone else) can safely buy one.

I know that the Raketa made many variations.

[1] Date of Manufacture: What times were they produced and what was the last year of their production? I think we can break them into 2 categories, USSR and post-USSR.
Were the 2-crown models available before 1-crown models?

[2] 2-crown vs 1-crown: What are the things to spot to see if they're frankens? Is it more likely that 2-crown watches are less likely to be franken? When I say franken, I mean that the hand or dials were repainted, and maybe the movement is wrong.

[3] Dials: What colors, text, images on the watches are signs of frankens? Are the yellow dial ones franken?

[4] Movements: I have seen 2609 and 2626 movements on the watches. I have also heard that the bridge (I assume that is the part with the movement number on it) can be interchanged. Can I assume that its highly unlikely that someone tries to convert a 12 hour movement to 24 hours? What other things can I notice other than movement number? Are there any other movements that are used?

[5] Crowns, Cases, Hands, Crystals: What are the common ones? I have seen that single crown watches have a certain case, like this:
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Most hands are simple and usually black or white. I have seen hands painted white very poorly, also.
What kind of crowns are used? I saw Cylinder, flat end and also more round versions.
The crystals used also varied especially since I saw the "fish-bowl".

I'd like to put a guide together with all the info I get. I know USSRtime is also a good reference but it is limited. Any answers to the above sections are welcome. Thanks
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This will be an interesting thread, and I'll be interested to hear the replies. I won't wade in too much myself because, although I'm an avid collector, I've never really been sure about the 24hr watches - the Franken's are more abundant than the real ones, which makes it hard to collect a reliable base for comparison!

But I will comment briefly on movement numbers. 2609HA is the "base movement" for all the modern Raketa movements (except the 2209 and the quartzes), but I've never heard of 2626 (that would be 26mm, automatic, date but no day). But between 2609HA, 2610, 2614, 2628, 2623 and 2627 the bridges are interchangeable. As mentioned on another thread here, bridges don't break, so a "repair" with the wrong bridge is unlikely; a 24 hr watch with the "wrong" bridge must either have left the factory that way, or is a franken.

I would guess that the only thing necessary to convert 2609HA to 2623 would be the exchange of a couple of gears (with a different ratio). I would not be surprised if there's a good trade in "conversion kits" for frankenmeisters.
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AFAIK the yellow dialed Raketas are fake. Also any Raketas with German WW2 stuff on the dial. The hands shouldn't be lumed. I guess most people here already knew all this, but nobody wrote it down for your post...
AFAIK the yellow dialed Raketas are fake.
That's another urban myth. Below is a pic (better to say "example of available dials") from the old Raketa website, http://www.pchz.narod.ru .

Also, here is an old discussion:

https://www.watchuseek.com/showpost.php?p=2866425

and many others are available on the forum (it was an "hot" argument for many months).

Anyway, Raketa now produces totally different watches, so 99% of the currently brand-new "Raketa" watches on Ebay must be considered as fake or unauthorized.

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That's another urban myth. Below is a pic (better to say "example of available dials") from the old Raketa website, http://www.pchz.narod.ru .
Thanks for the info!
This is absolute madness. The link you gave doesn't work anymore so I used the wayback machine archives. What I found is remarkable. All the dials I thought were fake were not. Though some can be fake reprints but the images I saw were originally used.

I heard the Che Guevara dial was fake but its listed in their products back then:
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The links:

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I really want to download all their pics and put it together in a guide as soon as I get time. Or maybe someone can download all the pics and send them to me so I can put it together. Is there anyone that can program a script to download them?

Edit: The links work. Don't know why it came out like that. Just wait a second or 2 and it will take you to correct place
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This is absolute madness. The link you gave doesn't work anymore so I used the wayback machine archives. What I found is remarkable. All the dials I thought were fake were not. Though some can be fake reprints but the images I saw were originally used.

I heard the Che Guevara dial was fake but its listed in their products back then:
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The links:

Main page: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

Products: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

Souvenir Clock: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

24 H dials: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

Custom Orders: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

For Visually Impaired: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

Movements: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

Packaging, boxes: Петродворцовый чаÑ�овой завод Ð.Ð�КЕТÐ�

I really want to download all their pics and put it together in a guide as soon as I get time. Or maybe someone can download all the pics and send them to me so I can put it together. Is there anyone that can program a script to download them?

Edit: The links work. Don't know why it came out like that. Just wait a second or 2 and it will take you to correct place
Thank you so much for sharing the material! The messy situation of Raketa new watches is one of the reasons why I usually only buy Soviet era Raketas
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This thread seems to be a bit older, but I will ask my question here as the topic is fitting.
In this post I have images of 4 Raketa (marine, radio operator, arctic polar, I've seen so many names) 24 hour watches. I don't know how to tell what's real or fake; or are they each from different periods. The over all designs are similar, but each one has different symbols and format. Can some one explain this to me?
Thanks
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#1
Has numbers at 24, 4, 8, 12 etc. and has an anchor at the bottom, above the 12. It has the outer rotating ring on the face, with two crowns.
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#2
Has numbers at 24, 4, 8, 12 etc. It has an anchor at the bottom above the 12 and the pentagon below the "PAKETA" logo. It too has the outer rotating ring on the face, with two crowns.
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#3
Has numbers at 1, 3, 5, 7, etc. and has the pentagon symbol at the bottom, above the 12 marking. It also has the outer rotating ring on the face, with two crowns.
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Has numbers at 1, 3, 5, 7, etc. and has the no pentagon symbol on it, but has the outer rotating ring on the face, with two crowns.
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All four of those are fine, as far as I can tell from the photos. They should all have a movement stamped "2623H" inside them. There were several variants of that model made by Raketa, each either with or without the pentagonal "Russian quality mark" on the dial.

In fact, most the eBay Raketa 24hr watches with the rotating bezel (ie, with two crowns, as in those four examples) are genuine. The fakes are usually single-crown watches, in which a 12hr movement (usually 2609HA) has been modified to run as a 24hr movement, and the dial has been reprinted accordingly.

If you're interested in buying a particular example from eBay, people here will be happy to give their opinion :)

Cheers,
Paul
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Perhaps some catalogue pages would help. Below are the relevant pages of the 1983 and 1989 Raketa export catalogs. However, there may be more models than shown here.

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1989

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Well, having said that most of the twin-crown 24hr watches on eBay are genuine, here is a counterexample! This one is odd, in that two 24hr watches have been cannibalised to make a monster. There is no limit to the ingenuity of the frankenmeisters!

Paul
Phd & sekondtime thanks for sharing the knowledge and info
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Hello,

I was wondering if any of you all had seen this particular Raketa 24 Hour watch. I've posted some pictures below, and it seems to have the correct movement for a Raketa.

I've seen it on eBay and Etsy, but haven't been able to find any catalogs that describe it. Is this just a made up Raketa watch, or some sort of Frankenstein "fake" watch. I think it is a gorgeous watch but am wondering if there is any authenticity to it. Any help would be great!

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It does have a correct 2623 movement, the fit and finish overall indicates something better than a franken. It could be the product of a good artel but I'm fairly sure it is not a Raketa factory produced model.
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Authentic 24Hr movement but everything else is fake.
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AFAIK the yellow dialed Raketas are fake. Also any Raketas with German WW2 stuff on the dial. The hands shouldn't be lumed. I guess most people here already knew all this, but nobody wrote it down for your post...
There is a reference in the pilot line from 2009 that is a legitimate yellow dial Raketa, but it's modern era not vintage.

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There is a reference in the pilot line from 2009 that is a legitimate yellow dial Raketa, but it's modern era not vintage.

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this is correct. Recent creation. If you ask me it is quite a dubious move to put caliber on the dial. Who comes up with such ideas???
this is correct. Recent creation. If you ask me it is quite a dubious move to put caliber on the dial. Who comes up with such ideas???
Someone who thought it made it look "more legit"
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